This suits definitely are shall I -- -- together -- 1970. Canada. Geologist by the name Bobo would get millions of -- subdue the little regional legislature. And mostly because a group and warranties of what do you think about the loss of the wetlands so what's wetland. After about two or three days with doctors -- you know. Understood what it that is that -- -- his spirit. Should do the first television documentary ever done about it and over six senior period. I did a documentary every year all over the world concerning wetlands of the museum. And New Orleans flooding and being wiped out in Auburn on per succeeding years. In 1986. Men as -- came to me and said you know. Nobody cares about tennis when are we go -- -- nobody's intrusive or -- -- paranoid. -- get a -- -- and we did it. Building the night before Katrina kind of accidentally. -- in this job and ended up staying -- And the thought in the talk of you know wetland loss. Became Pervez -- once again this time everybody's interested and and so far there's been a lot of bad news for them I'm reading web site a couple of days ago. And their talk about something called the -- does senator. And all of a sudden we look at oil and -- chipping -- could terrorism. As being beneficial things to do city to the state. All of a sudden now we're talking about something called water management. That everything I read. Has the real potential to to work in this country and so. Beyond belief to me which could be looking about -- benefits. Concerning what we're going to. At this sport -- of -- George or broke with the regional economists senior research fellow at the Davidson. George welcomed the show hi thanks for men and thank you come -- and Allison player executive director achieved demographer. Bring in New Orleans community data center. Good to be and of course Caitlin Bernie who were June rowing crews seems to be everywhere you and Michael Hecht in -- -- -- Involved in human finger helped me as well to show it to be here thank you for having me George here executive director of limits -- -- -- what that does is dangerous. Would you guys come from what you do. Well I'll start with that -- and so actually the data center was formally known as the greater New Orleans community data center until recently we start calling themselves the data center because we saw. That that our issues are really very regional right just you Katrina really brought that. To the floor and as we look more at the -- we see how economically. And demographically we are really very connected across the entire part of southeast Louisiana so instead of the greater New Orleans community data and now. The data center and the greater and wants to -- data center started. About sixteen years ago was founded to help democratize data helped neighborhoods in -- have data. And then post-Katrina we started working with the Brookings Institution to track the recovery of the region. Through publication we called the loans and next we've done a number of studies on how is seeing in how to. Rebuild affordable housing and how much was needed post-Katrina we did to study and light that was really that the sort of cornerstone for the mayor's. Strategy aren't producing light. And then more recently we've done a number of studies on economic development and and kind of become come close collaborators with Giannone and in the process and and it helped put together some data that's really. Really formed again the fact that we are connected across the -- southeast Louisiana region that oil and gas. Is just as important and hormones in just in New Orleans -- economy as always has been and that and that and that. Home to -- provides the feed stock right for all of our refineries and petrochemical plants which her. Which are blooming. And then this report am really looking at one of the next biggest drivers which I think folks really. Don't realize as you said that -- right that water management between. You know between the work that we do to protect and restore the coast. Also the levees that we've constructed and now the work we're doing within the city. To manage water so that we. Produce some sightings all of that is an industry. That really builds on a long history of indigenous knowledge frankly about how to work with water he we live in a watery environments and -- even to build some of these amazing bridges. Requires knowing a lot about how to. Build infrastructure in a watery environments. Apparently we actually have some good news in the picture that form coming right back more troops and with the questions comments. 260170. Told free anywhere in the country. -- dictated dollar and zero. This is something that literally affects everybody -- What your rising through the state with the rise of the -- -- here. Would work or Louisville weren't pride and as we lose our coastline and we're gonna lose seafood industry. We have -- -- possibility. Oil -- becoming evermore and because -- the way and -- Pipelines are bringing in oil again. So arts sorts substance. And in this state is always an oil and shipping and tourism. Amazingly enough there of their recent stories. Suggesting that we have to know their potential industry. That's cut and offspring. Of the calamity broad experience in laws that coastline cold water men. In the Davis sooners been tracking you've been publicized and we have allows employer with the news from the executive director of the Davidson. George over the regional economists and Richards fell. And Caitlin Bernie who -- director of external actors you know week in June week. Through it would be involved in every project that -- helping us in the studio Wednesday. A Jordan -- -- you're an economist for sure yeah. Talked to me about the economy what does this mean is this something like. Could help the economy. 2000 years ago or can we actually it's the human touch of the open. Now right now with water management. Right now you can actually. See the benefits and so the next step is making them stay because. We know that what we've seen now with the way we're -- water management is the work that's happening off the coasts it is. Building marches building violence and the work that's happening. On the coastline building levees and also the work that's happening with inner urban areas and managing water mentioned some signs. So you could see the benefits now because a lot of the work is happening now on it's a lot of construction markets a lot of engineering work architecture work design work. And when you look at employment trends. In those industries that you see about what Purdue and around water management you could see a big jump in employment increased from 2010 Pia and the recession. And it's actually has such a large practice presence that outside of energy and petrochemical it would be our second largest sector. So out of the ones that are targeted by leadership for -- for future growth. So it actually has a really strong presence on the challenges that having it stick and actually being especially station that you -- take the expertise take them knowledge you've learned and export that to other cities and have that -- a product that you're known for -- specialist mission that's what. Your -- this danger in the long. I don't live with the visuals here. If let's say it. The accretion of river diversions. Is something that could use in Bangladesh. -- some place. But it's a group of Bangladesh tunes come here take a look at it and go for it simple. Open up the river. Get a couple of measurement from the corps of engineers implement all what were we doing that exportable. Well I don't think it it's probably not. That simple -- I mean you're you are working with nature and as you tinker with that pit does have a facts -- so there's a lot of -- I there's a lot of design work echoes into OK what's the how -- we do this properly. What is the effect of a diversion on what are the hypothetical scenarios there's a lot of data and work and analyses -- and actually designing a project. Before it's carried out so it's not that simple as oh we have to. -- this area here. Because that that has the facts -- and him so. Actually developing expertise to to go through the hypotheticals that attitude to go through OK if we built this this way pursues this way vs this way. What materials going to its what's the what's the proper way to do this there is a considerable amount of expertise that built up in reaching that could be exportable. It's not that easiest -- come in look at Marin and beat. -- -- them where's June 2 weeks or so we see. A huge vision here eighteen and -- to really make our region and national and an international a prisoner of coastal restoration and water management. And disaster resiliency expertise and I think. To George's point in your point we do have a huge opportunity to export. The technology that we are developing here in southeast Louisiana as we combat these challenges. For example -- we can't companies have 300 million dollars in contracts. In New York in New Jersey post saying -- so were beginning to see this already developed. As expertise of companies here correct companies that are based here in Louisiana. Our doing work in New York teen -- the energy CR is royal engineers and consultants we have several companies and happy -- excuse while. Of companies doing work and and sharing our our knowledge with other. Regions and a better and it. That we build. That restoration and have attacked creation and a waggoner and ball architects who is. A local architects firm here in south Louisiana that worked with us to create our urban water play and which is a regional plane in about dealing with urban storm water and subside and it is also working in New York in New Jersey on some similar. Urban water plain and methodology as well so. There's -- there's some good progress I think that we've already made and I think we we are beginning to see. New sector take hold here in south Louisiana and this this research really validates and and supports our vision for creating this sector. Ellison won't would have drinks from Rutgers are probably more important than the programs of perched on you go to the cardinals. Lot of the houses. Four Pro Bowl rings around the Pope and of course we -- what was -- -- is when the waters committee and houses -- up in the post people in place. It's water management by letting the ball ruined do we have anything like that we are working on that anything like that. You don't think there are some folks post-Katrina who did design. Some some small pilots of that sort rank amateur winner was that they got implement it or not. But I think and you obviously the Netherlands is known for sort of expertise in water management to tune in to Hitler's decree they have. They they have a system that protects them against us 101000 years storm and is I think everyone knows our levee system. Which is the best in the US protects us against a 100 years storm. So there and they're very very advanced and they've done a lot of land -- all right they built structures so that they can float. And so it's another wave farther along than we are certainly but I think. You know the we're starting to develop some unique methodology is -- really work for us and over the years will develop more and more. And you know when things that we know -- about economies in clusters and how they develop. Things that the Georgia's actually taught me is that. That Silicon Valley for example Ali -- this Silicon Valley actually develop because of a federal infusion of funds. To help with semiconductor development around the time world where two. And that's what we've got here as a major. Federal infusion of funds rights and and from that can be the real kick start to develop a whole -- sector that we can have expertise and. Optimism and sure. Well. You definitely see these moments where an infusion of the federal money sparks is a more sustainable industry. And we echo park Packers GM man. How back got taken scale Witten. Report Hispanic. But and in the case of the more high tech case of Silicon Valley. When it actually was was it's just very similar infusions of money working on radar technologies that established the electronic infrastructure that would evolve over time and eventually get. You two semi conductors. But it is that initial. Flood of money that. Specter to the point that okay we've built something and from our researcher in the coastal index it seems like we've gotten there we have the engineering expertise. -- the architecture expertise expertise the design. The construction work where there we've we've got that federal infusion the challenges again taking that next step just like Silicon Valley tidbits that OK we have the electronics here. What's the what's the next emerging market for that I'm wondering gonna stop working on radar technologies and actually take the next step to. A microchip so we've which they drew William V infusions -- these -- deciding. We're ready and take the next. I think word of -- mean in between the stage where were you and we've we've. We've we have infusion. But also -- as noted earlier a lot of for our expertise are being exported to new York New Jersey so. So we're at this fledgling stage of of being something new I guess that where we we have a lot of optimism on the. What would fix through two pushes to the point where we go -- were exporting. Waterman. You know I think one of the things that Giannone is so brilliant that is branding right right off the bat and that's something that they've they've shown us how important branding can be. And certainly you know it's some of why we all think of Netherlands as really the place the go to place want to mention this because they branded themselves that way. Now branding is step one in the you have to you know have expertise that you also can really back that up with. But branding putting together a plan you know regional plan for exporting. These products you know starting to look at how do we get what are the markets -- at where do we where we tap into those markets. I know the folks -- -- anchor our I have been talking about going. In September to the Netherlands specifically not so much a look at their technologies but now look at their business plan right how did day. Come to start really exporting their technology and their expertise around water management -- -- Listen to ensure that you hadn't heard before at least in this position. The patrolman was going through with the law also sell them weave together two others to call. War board of the Euro -- -- way. Maybe producing a product called water management that may end up being more liberal big industry. We're coming back good you have questions or comments Gibbs called two's are general one pizza. Are welcome back we're we're talking about some good news that comes a lot of bad news we aren't sure pure fuel we use. Concerning the loss of Louisiana to -- -- -- into the gulf. As it turns out big. Industries in this -- oil again is shipping tourism. Might be gaining in the future and other interest through -- -- that you look -- call. Water management. And at this point dot com we have some guess in this studio that have been intimately involved. Here and finding our export -- expertise we're developing. On survival when the cultural losses wetland. -- palace and play with this executive director of the -- sooners results who have demographer torch over. Breed your local governments senior research fellow at the data center and Canadian candle -- Who of course it was -- -- picture and payers and -- -- who's involved in sole mission of the things. What would be flood insurance where it would be bringing your businesses and now by owned by ending here and and a propagating a brand new business. When. We look at the demographics. Of this. I've gotten a lot of pro and a Katrina. Because I had no -- -- should come. Because of the -- plans for a because it's. So many in the averages in this news. Surrounding Parrish Erica that are below street level and so forth and so on. Well we had a story of what was it two days ago that came -- that have a lot of people or deserting. The lower end of Louisiana and those being on the poor and Oakland it will. Together. -- when you look at demographics. Is that a growing problem or mine. Up mine for them but I mean number. Right right yes so we we do have some demographic trends and in this report -- the coastal index and it does show that same thing so many of these. You do some of them the more coastal areas little. Villages stereo -- that -- accused shall and a senator have continuously lost. Population since. We sort of tracking in July 2005. And and they're not very large. Areas anyway right so maybe I am in we have the measure by suppose there's about 500000. Households each and so. In that timeframe many of them have lost about a fifth of their population. When you lose about fifty population that's pretty significant and and as you said you know what we see in the demographics as those who are left behind are more likely -- elderly more likely to be impoverished. In places. Like stereo the poverty rate is -- and also do like poverty rate is over 40%. She's very high so. Those are folks were going to be the most vulnerable. And and another way to look at it is the least able to leave rates so those who can leave because they see. You know the increasing flood risk they maybe even see you know their front -- disappearing into water right. They they're if they're able to leave they are and and those who are typically the ones -- stand behind and you know there there may not really be any value left -- property that they own so they can't sell it. So and that may be their only assets so it's a real challenge I think for the state as -- coastal areas are gonna shift. Even as we begin. More and more rebuilding of weapons the coastal areas -- gonna continuously shift. And so it's going to be real challenge for the state to think about these residents and how to assist them. I'm with with with with the despair in what is happening right beneath them. George when you explain this to me but the clusters in Silicon Valley -- -- -- came in big confusion. During the war -- after the war and they grew into it where there in the areas of poverty or or small populations of people. There were not experiencing. The the benefits that did benefit as everything begins to grow. Or is that Johnston Louisiana at the model you look. I'm not sure I actually didn't answer that question that would require an analysis of the demographics and who was employed at the time there I'm used to that will be reviewed to shoot the intelligent work ethic that. And I -- well I I could answer but I I could also be wrong -- I don't want to hear OK and there another reason we get via the -- Our second break and come right back into question would do though they -- We're we're talking about something extremely. Important it literally mean being with -- and but the problem where have been -- water made turning to wind industry. Water management -- weaken its Olympics were to the rest some stay with. Little -- remaining but we have Barbara presented to appear a bit of data center and funeral weakened they're talking about. All the problems we have -- water -- -- -- reports so this mobile product that leads to a very big industry. We guilt or our expertise exported sell it back and say oh. Or go to war against those who have dull and slide of the old news that will -- -- Yeah -- -- you -- -- -- -- about it and that would. Yep now my great grandmother seem -- -- that -- in early nineteen hundreds. Cheered told us that the the only way for them to build going -- it was actually a lot of minutes of so flooding in the -- launch could. He think about -- away immediately -- to be built on toppling in itself in a rental. Is for it to be able billing in it's kind of -- liberally in little. I don't. She has it built from -- gates says the only when it -- and that it flood stage. They can put these gate right near this thing involved in rebel that's a natural location made pledges itself all. Where you're UB happened so that they or didn't do that in some terrorism it's Cold War -- and a dirt diversions in the also gonna do some current and let's get back to. That -- understanding of how this is going to be of benefit. It has the potential to be -- big big industry. Caitlin reports where where did we get them. As a great question and workforce. The availability of a trained and educated workforce is a challenge that's presenting itself across. All of the sectors we focus on -- -- -- Lincoln it's always been a challenge but. I think we're at a particularly acute point in the State's history because we've been able to be so successful in recruiting. Send -- large scale industrial projects digital media companies. And the light to the region so we have. An acute challenge to really making sure we have. A skilled and trained workforce for a variety of sectors but particularly coastal restoration. Jobs and water management jobs which are often times construction related. I'm in fitting in with some of the same skill sets that are going to be required with the coming in in energy him. So the good side is that and there's it at coordinated cohesive focus and -- -- -- And with our partners at the data center and across. The economic development community to make sure that we're both. Training. Our local residents for these jobs are going to be counting on the pipeline and we're doing that through. Working ways industries and the higher Ed institutions in the states -- -- two year and four year colleges to make sure that their training. And they -- right numbers and providing these students that the rates skill sets so that they can be employed post graduation for certification. I'm also working on an external strategy to recruit people to the region to come live here. One of the biggest challenges we face. When we're recruiting businesses and -- recruiting people as branding of the region. If folks consider New Orleans as just four blocks suburban street. And they don't realize a variety of lifestyles we have in the ten Paris region. Not -- -- in a while and so we're really working on a broad based campaign to reaper in the region as well it's that we can recruit workers of all skill level Suton and takes an East Coast restoration and -- management jobs that are gonna comment on the right. Where we're it would give PO money for renting a more improvement over all the time from the tourism. So association a group we barely have money and tell people about tourism. That's a great question and something that Michael and I are trying to keep an -- and on but. Mark is is a great partner and -- they have determined their tremendous agency for our region and for our city and we love to work with them on. And have had some great success is working with them on and communicating a coordinated message and then we also just do it. Through coordinated targeted national media strategy and -- doing. And pitching reporters directly and doing things like building web sites like destination -- com which is our new quality of life website that seeks to recruit folks. To the region and -- educate them more about everything we have to offer here. Georgia is your column as we can figure out. Try Georgia behavior extrapolated. In the of the numbers to -- to have real figures that show. You win and and how all this actually becomes a big industry that that brings in big books. Well we haven't. We haven't looked at how much it brings in and in terms of big bucks but we've just looked at employment trends and and we know it's a it's it's a big sector now and as -- noted the overlap -- the energy boom we know back in the future that the jobs associated with water management. And also related activities. We're gonna see your job explosion fire and so there's an employment impact that we've looked into the future on but as far as monetary that we we haven't done now. -- the year. I have -- -- -- from the -- in Los sooner. Talking about the drop in the midwest in the woods and the chances that getting better rated Thompson recovered doubtful and there's a chance we will get a rush. Well I would quote people from the west and midwest. Coming where the -- is -- where water is in the interviews do you see anything demographically. That that could. Help add to this water management industry. While I haven't seen those demographics yet I mean that's. That's that's an interesting part observation from mark. You know I think what I thought you wouldn't say actually is that. You know environmental challenges are becoming more -- more severe right and I and I think and you know that really points to why what we are learning to do in terms of water management is that gonna become. You know exportable because we looked at the numbers insolvent. 39% of the population of the US lives in coastal counties. That's saying that -- that always fast and yes 39% of the US population lives in coastal counties. And then 42% of our national economic output is from all of -- the coastal counties right so. The interior supplies only 58% right we do the math so 42% just from the sliver of counties along the coast. And so you know as we already are seeing sea levels rise. He knew. I think -- the -- time of the National Geographic article -- read it was looking at new York New Jersey and lots of places are looking at sea level rise right. And -- so. We're going to be more and more concerned about this because we have so many population centers and so many assets along the coast and obviously our environmental challenges are getting more difficult. Even just extreme weather events so I think you know the expertise that we have -- can be really valuable point. A lot of times when we look at this will look at sea level -- when we look at the debate over global warming. Experts have a record shows have we're going to be in big trouble. In 2050. And 26 feet four and 28. I think if people entrusted in things that are threatened. Over decades. Or a -- yours. You out -- mentioned that actually I did attempt talking 20100. Yeah you might want to check it out it's interesting M and a I was talking that data and why data is useful after disaster and I started by saying why anybody should care right. And I said I used to -- ten and I said you know several examples -- received the earthquake since discussion -- but the new York and -- went out people don't realize how much. Flood risk New York was facing and and I sent by the is predicted by the end of the century. There will do that lower Manhattan will have a significant flooding event and much of New Jersey right and and then it happened. Much sooner -- so a lot of these predictions that scientists are giving us could happen much much sooner than we think. Reducing the Mets and should be brilliant that's it. Caitlin George Ellis and thank you so much love that column is complicated so loved bundle or about it in particular. 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