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4-23-14 10:10am Garland: on drug laws

Apr 23, 2014|

Garland talks with Dr. George Capowich of Loyola University about whether drug laws should be toughened or softened.

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This hour something that certainly surprised me just -- Louisiana legislature. Is toughening drug laws. The Justice Department is looking to reduce the penalties and the sentences. Of nonviolent drug offenders nationwide. So roadside -- get a better handle on this talk to be experts and once again. Outsold in the time of George count wouldn't promo loyal towards welcomed the short appreciative call. Are we were you. It's is that President Obama is seeking wider authority to you to -- each drug offenders. Is is that a good simple description. Yeah it is I think that the focus right now from what I've read. Issues. To a reduced incarceration. Of people who have been sentenced. There had been historically -- big difference between people convicted of possession of powder cocaine first possession of crack. And the accomplishments before projection crack war five or ten times higher than. Once powder cocaine even they're chemically equivalent. It looks to me. He's able to Justice Department tried to news. A correction and sentences that were done abortions under the old laws because the laws since been changed by congress. -- to do something people consents to. -- under the old should be much harsher sentences. And reduce. The prison population. You know something like 80%. Of federal and each year war on position. Cases or at least 80% of those serving life without parole should make that distinction or this year. Those -- those kinds of mandatory sentences. Or one of the big drivers approach over -- It's interesting news figuring pros and -- seven years to do this. They're putting audioblog -- come above now. Well they it took awhile to get congress to change the law is one thing. And you know why -- it. Came up now. I don't really know. In May be and other things. Were taking -- parliament's time. Decades sought is higher priority. But there. Or -- -- offers for it won't come right back and continued his columns solution. What do you think out there are does does this bother you or does loose. Get little applause from. Our legislature. Is busy you know strengthen. Number record drug laws. So -- knocked down. A pimps. More leniency. Or wiggle in the right way or the 260. When they seventy. Told three anywhere in the country 866. -- dollar and zero eats them. Think we've known rob. C. There -- -- hero. Wolf we have heard over the field for letting guys wore an opinion poll asking you can always get a legislature. It is. Making some drug laws more stringent -- Longer penalties tougher penalties. And refusing to minimize some of those lower drug penalties. And in the meantime. The pins in particular President Obama and attorney general Eric Holder. Or planning on getting wider record two to release drug offenders -- knew what the latitude to. Pardon the -- of federal prisoners with the wall and sentences but concerning drugs if they weren't violent offenders. And we ask you law. Who do you think is right which foreign is right few of the 73%. Let them attract. -- to bed or going in the right direction. Veterans say in this we have bug doctor George cup we're former policeman -- all -- departments -- -- new loan university. Doctor Euro let's bring in some of revolution with questions -- -- -- Euro -- doctorate up. Good morning all in all I'm not I don't like to think it's the said that Gordon in the right direction what is. In -- because. -- mentioning anything about. The prison industrial complex. About the fact that the print them these private prisons have contract. They say it will keep the 90% full. So that they. Should not from the truck blows. It'll stand around and wants and lets people that this -- in the Princeton which means. Still -- into the deal. Jerry actually used its two major corporations are traded don't via stock exchange and it's 80% that record by a contract but doctor cal boards and ever have been able get a big mural and -- and how many prisons here in Louisiana. Or wrong by the two corporations. I can't answer that I know wouldn't. Right but he expert deployed Dudley I know between reports state senator involved with the if we've got a system. Where we have corporations. Running our prisons. And demanding -- contract and saying to their. Stockholders. That they're very concerned about the legalization of marijuana. And in their contracts the demand 80% occupancy. That that does raise the question of whether or not we've got a system. That we can of board to stop crime in particular dropped does that make innocent. It does that's a clear conflicts. Of interest. For an am. Even -- state. Believe erroneously. That people. Nonviolent drug offenders ought to be imprisoned there's a clear conflict raises good points to that price. The prison industrial complex. Stand. You know the thing about prisons even when they were publicly funded. When when they're building prisons is like building highways -- as we build them they feel. And it's. You know in the Louisiana now there the -- just defeated that bill that was attempting to reduce penalties for. Some possessions of small amounts. -- wanna. And whatever kind of drugs you're talking about -- agrees. -- mean. Moving toward -- in court -- ration. Four. Drug offenders it is the way to go. If there's an addiction problem so we're talking drug -- -- physically addictive. Not -- wanna. Then we have a public health issue and will be treated as public health issues on crime issues. It's expensive. And it doesn't work. From other -- years I've known prosecutors. And -- and a -- the number of them. Only one and we disagree. With the all that all -- -- approach in the river talked Tuesday. The civil and the blue blue. Cross emblem who is lower than it's ever bitten and it's because of these penalties. The reason. We kept the -- afternoons and reduced from murder rates or because of these twelve sentencing -- -- in the each and every one of them says. It's gonna cost us more real rushed in brie prosecuted and every one and say. Bottom line is it is getting broken did and he picks. Well. You know I would I would disagree with. Research. Is pretty clear -- long period of time. That longer sentences. -- not a terror. Not to deter crime. The you know I noticed in the newspaper coverage of the hearings in Baton Rouge. Were some prosecutors and others work. Testifying against reducing the penalty beaters they see the one as a gateway drug. That's common in the mistaken belief that this -- source Churchill man. It is possible -- studies that. Do tag it is and as a gateway drug. One things that we have to do is be able to distinguish studies in terms of how rigorous day. How science how sound are church masses and ones that tend to show. Marijuana as gateway drug or just not strong so typically. As we improve coached some lines and rigorous studies here. Shall -- clearly. It's not. It and you know I think the evidence about. I understand the prosecutor pointed out they can use possession -- is for example against. Potential defendants to get that distributors. People higher up on the start drug distribution chain. Blige you know that. The evidence about that. Approach. Also is not encouraging. Drugs are still. Illegal drugs still widely available prices band unchanged -- Even -- the seizures and rest that are being made it's not making it didn't. In the market. So that's not working either. A bit of delay this short did on this. I pulled a broad do you DEA report from 2011. Saying that the area. Estimated there was seizing about 10% of the drug habit and the United States is that comparable figures you've seen. Yeah. That that's even -- The billions of expenditures. Increases. In staff training and personnel. That's what I was saying earlier this season 10%. Is not making a dense. In the in the -- in the supply. And is not doing anything to reduce the enemy so we see here just continuing the way it always had us. Doctor drug companies which always a pleasure to have you on the show you a good Thursday. Thank you -- and you --