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4-25 8:45am Tommy, canonization of Pope John Paul II

Apr 25, 2014|

Tommy talks to Father James Bretzke, a Professor of Theology at Boston College, about the relatively quick canonization of Pope John Paul II.

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-- going on. I guess she gets a celebration. At the Vatican this weekend and in Saint Peter's Square I guess as -- -- a gym -- he joins right now professor of theology at Boston College. To talk about the canonization of two former -- father's a friend of ours adjustment. And he comes on off in the morning father thank you for taking the time my. Tell us if you would about the whole process for people let me -- and Catholic Church like myself and and don't really know exactly how it all happens and how do you go from being and hope to be in a saint. Well if it's normally. Emotion you and I think isn't that prices it's a long process. It opens after the person dies -- leaders. A waiting period please don't ever rush to judgment but. For the for Pope John Paul the second that was swayed by -- by his successor Pope Benedict the sixteenth. And then there's an investigation. An exhaustive investigation into his whole life. If that comes -- essentially positive that the person. Is the potential saint. He Israelis to to the status political servant of god that there's further investigation. -- -- to be admirable. Whether people who look like they're. There are attracted by this -- And if there's be if there -- a miracle certified. Miracle. That you can be be ratified and that's what happened to both -- And then that second miracle is normally required for canonization. And became the Pope John the 23. Who died in 1963. That second miracle was -- find prints. I'd so in both case and father I know you that you speak your mind when you talk to -- some. For both the -- Pope France's waves -- second miracle for Pope John the 23 he puts Pope John Paul the second. I guess on a fast track Reich as he waves that time as it relates to that will. Open against Arnott Joseph Francis so numb. It was -- rush to get. To canonize to -- and just being objected to your rush to -- to -- so what's the reason for waiting in time period it. When it comes to. Pope John Paul the second. And the second miracle when it comes to John the 23. Well I I think to a certain executives say the short answers politic and the sounds like to me to say it. Well I mean politics is reality there's there's no world without politics Pope candidate. -- long term collaborator with Pope John Paul the second. They shared a common theological outlook and I think. Pope Benedict the opposite the ways comes. Validating what he believes sincerely. To be the real achievements of hope by John Paul the second. Pope Francis I think is is being political in the sense that Pope John Paul the second is seen. As the saint of the conservative wing Java 23 at saint of the liberal wing. And he wanted I think to canonize them both together at the same time. Two indicates that there is. They're more than one. Two totally different from the church and that canonize him togetherness circumstances call for unity. -- tea and am Catholic did just with a from what you just said and what bothers me about this is. Say designed to send some money you can pray to right. So if there were some political motives to appeal want to one side of the church here the other side of the church. That it seems to me. Either the policy was flawed to begin with would do with who gets to be a saint or. Then I'm praying that somebody that was a political compromise neither one of those it's very well with me. Well I think what way to look at it is probably the most misunderstood thing about -- patient is what that -- about the person has been canonized. You can pray to anyone has an interest censor who you believe is with god in heaven you know for example I believe my grandmother who was the saintly person is with god in -- I couldn't have prayed to her for help especially him you know family related matters. What canonization. Is. Minimalist we believe the person is with Scott. The word canonization comes from the Greek word and no cannon which means standard hard yardstick in this case model and also weakened state. That in many ways this person has been a model. Not met with everything that he or she did is perfect. But that this person has tried to live his or her life with god and in that sense models -- -- the path to Christian disciples should. And in that case. All sorts of people are genuine saints. But the ones that are more or less the verified that it has longer closer background checks other people that the church officially canonize. You know is talking to Jordan Siegel a fellow G a graduate of jazz and I should -- -- -- he's a desert in belief or not but. You know when it comes a name -- here when you go to mass when he read along cannon with. Chris Magnus I think is one of the names and and in those type of things from way way back gay in the early days of the church it -- you know that. I mean was -- policy always in place is here I am talking about these two bulbs but yet I'm no I was involved with them. Right okay so the early that this process but I just outlined. -- the profits -- -- they grew up in the late Middle Ages around the time of the -- trip to move forward and so that's from that. Well exceed the fifteenth sixteenth century. In the early church. Most of those people that that the -- mentioning our martyrs and if you are barker. The requirements for canonization art change because you have giving your lights. In -- for the -- And so that in a certain sense of pre qualify actually evidence of your relationship with god. So. The early Christian martyrs. -- recognize the saints because they were martyrs. And obviously. The background check. It would have been harder to do with bill -- statement and it was to guard against abuses that this current process. Came into play so that we would look carefully at the person's whole late. And maybe things that we're now well known might combo so there are any number of people. Where the process has been started that has not been an -- You know as you say that none -- -- flat footed here but. I remember believe it was during the Columbine. Attack at the school where one young lady was as you believe in god and she's Indiana and -- the the killer shot right there in children I'm just wondering is at the same as being a martyr and even if she was not Catholic. When would that qualify -- -- is saying no way. It could qualify her to be -- united I don't think -- I know that I remember the case well I don't think the person actually was Catholic but. It has in a sense the -- the person is a murder. Further belief in god. I either it's dying the karma right now I'm who was a converted to. -- put to death I think. In a certain sense because of her. Her ancestry. And she's a martyr and she's she's just ain't so bad -- it is another -- Father real quick for religion -- it's actually comes in. You can ask someone to pray for you but you don't pray tell them is that our you don't. We're shipped out the only people that we know that that Catholics legitimately worship would be that the trinity. You know god the father son and holy spirit everywhere now from -- virgin Mary down to on some very. -- time between third and John Paul the second are seen as intermediaries. Interceptors we pray to them that they intercede for us with Scott. Father if you ever come down and lowlands and and take you launched a one of these restaurants that are better at the top of the list. That don't -- you because and then year for about four hours a great it's a dale and Tony.

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