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Manners make a difference yes they mimic a big difference in the life of the child and certainly as an adult. So we are you a pastor -- important question why why is that. Why isn't that in the same school too similar class as one can achieve and one can't. Well I have it and very deep seated belief and that is that the most complicated problems in life. Always think that simple answers. And we years that we and -- -- to our town an effort energy looking far complicated solutions to complicated problems that we only further complicate them a -- and we overlook that -- -- profane -- actually answer. And a sample of an answer to that question of what separates. This is it that high achieving high poverty schools and high achieving I mean. High poverty achieving school and it really comes down to one simple word character. And by that I mean he -- with character and really helped listeners today will hear that double mean mean that was truly in hand by saying that statement. That it's teaching with character. On in all the years that I -- that -- hearted then 1213 years. I and we working meaning many schools from one end -- that extreme to and other I think we talked about that one on ones. From the get -- again it -- mean from one extreme. Our population to the other. And what we have Sam after all these years that when he comes right down to it. What really separates and classroom full of kids he really become high achievers in -- doesn't arts schools it and it hasn't. It comes -- in their teen scene and it's actually. To teach with character and I mean teaching character with -- -- of course. Making that a top priority rather than something acts or rather than an afterthought. Rather and occasionally reminding children you know now you know we need to be on it start giving them the words and definitions that -- going much steeper than. Going beyond -- fame foundation of education truly becoming hard education which is what we're really talking mandating that the party this year. In teaching children a world EU. We like to talk about raising children to become strong carts that the fans and their education. So so give me some examples of teaching in character and I gave you really -- example of that in one school for instance that and we are maintaining. Time and take a first grade. Three class -- the first great statement. And in that one thing school we've -- this thing population is saying is she's mean nothing could be more similar if you're gonna compare one class and another saying gray. Two class rains are struggling the kids are struggling. The test scores are struggling everything in this discipline problems. And yet that art class strains -- school saying great if they're Iraq. What in the world could possibly make a difference it's teaching -- character. When I visited the school. Month or maybe six weeks -- I was -- stain on it and I tapped on the door on that particular class and it was succeeding and I actually did not know. When I was at episcopal. And one of the statements came to the door first right opened the door and said welcome to our class -- scored at me and in today's me. -- to the teacher. And then bets in town and the kids -- ask questions they are quick to answer their hands went quickly they were eager to protect the right eager to be a part of what we were doing that day. When everything -- concluded and other students did and said -- walked into the door to meet the door. Said yes thank you for comment -- class today all of the students that Anke and Santana to play. And stick there in a match anything that I had RD visited the other two class. And then stepped in class rain which way it's awfully different. And it went really struck me and that I had never heard the teacher. Offer any instructions to children first got them on their own they were on Iran. It had an in steel in the hand character and integrity mean he's solid it. And what did that translate into it so easy to see. That character and integrity. That others Internet that we talk a lot of that means -- It was on sealed in these kids and so it was no surprise to me since signed now that this is the class -- of course that was succeeding with -- mark. Less discipline problems in theory academic achievement. But cut the kids -- where you learn. They were eager to pretend that I mean outside in that brief fifteen minute visit. They were -- their hands are gonna they were eager to be apart of something. Bigger and now with the kinds they have been trained. With character character to have vision they're visionaries in the fall Oregon. They're eager with anticipation. -- -- rather than the other to class and I had hit it where there was very little. Participation that kids -- have any answers they really aren't interested they were looking hologram heart's -- and it's it's stale. And the population kids it would thing. The only difference with how that is three teachers were going down teaching character with care actor. And I'm not saying when -- am left that at publicly in class -- in all the kids that Anke and that's not it's the teacher and said. In truth what time of -- -- and her comment her comment -- She said you know they make -- day everyday at onion and have the opportunity. To teach these hearts and mind. Teaching character with. So for anybody out there listening -- teacher or parent or kid or just some enduring interest and how do you teach it. How do you teach well the old and aids that we model and now everybody -- tired -- it. But it is century on -- contract on and Wear black starts there. On today and just -- victim here from that range on this afternoon and spent that morning on morning with 700 ever kids. At one particular elementary school. And again with each different class was coming to visit her character -- Wilbur that mascot there highlights stated that kids like to see. And as the class and paying me and I -- With then moment in you recognized quickly. Teachers that. Art teaching character character in the town of their polite. In the way they talk with the children in the way the kids walking in the way they -- follow instructions or about contrasts in the way that they down following instructions. It's. And I -- I don't when he went listing it ain't that. And being -- simplistic here or else I would want anyone to think that com. That and trying to imply in anyway that. This is just -- in eight. That you know whether -- just -- people here in night teachers but 'cause that's that's trailing not it it's much deeper than in it's actually. It's a choice that teacher that was really succeeding in the first class name. She -- actually every single day that when she wants to hand it with the privilege for her to Joaquin and and teach that that little group of heart fishy dead. That she head in her classroom every day that it was a privilege to -- that rather than a Barton. You know our adjusted jobs aren't any -- is actually a privilege she truly get. That deeper and that that deeper understanding that she is truly responsible for the next generation. I want everyone to stay with us we're gonna continue distraught or actually gonna talk to an assistant principal who does just this. And -- we'd love to hear from you and your thoughts on. I guess because we hear so much of the chaotic part of of schools. To here's something like this which is real. I think we're all curious how can it work so stay with us and give us a call 2601870. We'll be right back. Our guest today is Jill -- Gardner who is the founder of manners of the heart but what we're really talking about today is a type of education -- system of education I don't know exactly how you're putting it. But. It's the teaching of character with character. And some of the the wonderful change issue has witnessed yourself. We're also talking with a teacher or vice principal Erica Aggie -- and I'm so delighted that -- here. Assistant principal of -- there elementary school. And so man you have worked with. Jill honest. Just like to start me. Mr. -- is wonderful. We could not have not elected -- program. Man at the heart and we kept it had contact with much. So -- thing. In the mean school for the past airport you're. Seeing it just the systematic approach and it gives what we need. It just that the core of everything we try to do school did he didn't care act and. But if you would be specific about. When you say character how are you reaching children. To teach them want. We don't the format is -- -- here. Teachers. From matters of the heart attack and we have our students. I'm very systematic approach to content. Each lesson. Let them know what character you know how to define that. How how it would look like. They they're providing -- example. And let then. And it's just been wonderful is that wonderful approach. That I occasional provided with professional development. We also have family and community involvement -- when children come in and you know done. Workshops with the parents to talk about the content can expect a bit. It's just. The -- -- debt we should be teaching it indicators. What did we -- at least it. I'm not sure -- you know we have. We have. No child left the flag and new initiative. I think we have just got away from it but everything else just got pushed. All elected as a top open and Carrick has dealt -- which it should be at the it should be it should be in place that anything should be along with everything we teach. Am I wrong to saying I'm asking both that you and Jill Gardner. That if one is raced with character and the -- -- character at school that ultimately -- more successful. Oh absolutely. Absolutely. Because of the distinction you -- You will -- what you have been -- both at home an electrical. And it'll just hit it it'll just be avidly. In everything you do in life. In school. And where. Is a part of you that's a part of you won't impact. You know I think that we too often maybe it's this crazy media than -- but. We often hear of the disturbing things that happened in classrooms -- the lack of discipline the and rowdiness. And it -- center. You first have to calm people down for them to listen. How does that work. I think. It barred from my vantage point. Where. You're not overreacting. You start the ball approach if the situation and calm. Any and and I think the peace talks and and that what one of the things that most powerful to me is listening to. She'll. Speak with Democrat and she talked about. It you know. How -- you the whole approach things. You don't get there because someone is doing -- -- you'll. You remain indoor -- you remain respectful. In spite of someone else being disrespectful to give. That that are important things went when such things are happening client alone. The teachers can't. And and beat the common -- And just you know reassured which they OK it's going to be on we are going to take care of what every year that's going. And also get one day. That they want to get to be back into the that someone is gonna take care and someone is listening to get it. If if a student. Is either one not grasping at or has issues that they're fighting it. And you don't want that one or two students to bring down the whole class do you remove them or do you how does that work. Well we do we mean they are and it's not much is removed. From educational piece but they may. Have what we do it actually is we may balk -- talk. I -- walked the walk and talk to -- and you'd be surprised at how how much calmer they will be in the past I mean. And they want we talk about it rated it quite and it didn't take. But we authorities -- -- a matter maybe three or four minutes from time by African -- but it compound. And and to get to the root of what's. That -- an okay I'm gonna take care. But that's at my school -- you know the week but we have a certain. Protocol that we you know go -- our school we we would approach everything with respect. And that's what we've been trying to do in Japan QU and that's you know based on the things -- garlic -- from the heart. You say that management -- has been in your school for several years now can you give me some specific instances where you have seen a child change. And actually acting debut in the implement it to win the teacher unions. A humble with these greens with -- Research and everything hi I have the class but the just changed the cut their teaching in the race be a much. And believed in need it it would that the core of everything done and it clay. If if if there was disagreement between the limit the -- it was -- now we -- an arm is that how we. Our approach things this is that how we handle situations. And how awful scene it was different food where. You know when you you look at -- and used -- that they. When they bring out -- information in at this from a let you know that they have they have an eight years. Is I think any. What you must be very proud that I can actually hear it in your voice. There are proud that you are so committed to do it. I am really any I -- because this just right after the that the core of everything we do and we can try to educate our children without it and just you know. It is it'll be a very typical -- It was interesting I was driving into work today and done Schuett was filling in for Garland and they were talking about. -- knowing what the general subject was -- -- call or man called and said. I think sort of all the problems get down to on drugs center needs it but really it's schools. That must teach. Any use the word manners and almost wrecked the car and knowing that I was gonna have this conversation today. And he said I know that schools have to put up with a lot and everything but it really that's where their kids are gonna learn it now certainly some families are. You know work at it all the time and some want to know more about it. Not an end but it is what I'm learning from view and from Jill garner is that. You've now got proof that this is an answer. Idiot and I just think -- so important. And I think it's schools have to part with a camera yeah and in some instances who may have to do. You know what what it hey. How -- look into how how it looks in your school how to look in your community. And they'll put some powerful step for every hi all stakeholders to be involved. And says I'm so glad that he learned he brought that up because we were so privileged this year to have by parenting fashion. On at lob they'll layer at at her school in it we had such a phenomenal success with that the numbers grew as the year progressed rather than the re inclined her thinking that it's wonderful add the numbers continue to grant in that comment that if come from it on. And fat count how many parents if that is the year progressed after one fashion or another. That they had received so much information that they just didn't know. And -- is angular believes that sang my ID day today parents. I guess there that is that. You know it it we all question you know their their whole attitude toward parenting that history. That the vast majority of parents really want to do a better job they -- just don't know that they did they're not equipped to do it that's what we try to help with. While I appreciate this columnist thank you are and we're gonna continue our discussion with the -- -- garner about character right after this. Jill -- garner wrote a book called racing respectful children in a disrespectful world. And from that came manners of the heart which is a program in schools all around not unfortunately not in New Orleans tonight I hope that. Voices are out there. Listening to that that will pick up the phone and say you know we needed in the New Orleans schools because it it cries out. -- and now you've done and as you said long enough where you act in -- see the results listening to the vice principal Nathaniel -- Talk about. What she sees and the kids as we were hanging up I was talking to her and she said I've changed my own parenting with my three sons. How oh yes that's somewhat she's gotten it but it is -- and talked all the time you've been on. You know in society we just let things go and it's and it's sad because we're better than that. And it is a matter of being taught. We do have to teach and tell me that tell them the story you just tell me about. The third greater. -- and Jeff just this morning just this morning. We were visiting the schools as I mentioned earlier in a power greater. We are asking and the question that what -- you -- with smears and heart this year in what's meant what stands at your ninth. Interestingly -- and on the most frequent answer to that is the kids will go back to a lesson on -- -- Indian against you don't want the audience to understand. In this particular context last week in this week I'm referring to kids in schools that are high poverty schools. On 98 hit 9800%. Reduced or free -- school. And does kids remember at the lessons on being aghast Indian highest. In one -- third graders today and and he remembered that he remembered and that is to be -- learning to be exact moment. And when I ask you what does that look like he said the last learned that I'm supposed to hold the door open. For the girl. And I fit well now -- said yes that's Ian gentlemen why do you think that's so important -- -- an imported. And he said the cries it's a way of showing that I have respect for car. And during the break Angel and I were talking at that in and you know. And an all Molly's parking on the importance of what we teach at that I don't seem to be able to harp on it enough. Just imagine if this next generation. Of young boys and young girls are raised with that mindset. That a girl is to allow -- way. To hold the door open which we completely lost in our society of feminism today where girls no longer want a a tournament opened the door. And they think you know I can do that myself what's so sad is they have lots. The purpose of a pin in the door it is too shallow respect and this both are greater. Now understand. Think this next generation was raised where the little girls. Waited for the little boy and as they grow and become gentlemen and in ladies to open the door to shallow respect. Imagine how that translates into how young -- and then in his teens and early twenty's. It's going to treat -- Carolina Danny I think we could lower. This ridiculous. Horrible. Rate and date rape in the issues that we're having today that are so part of fine. -- -- and we have to remember that infamous complicated problems in our society always at. These simple yet very profane -- users that's what we've got to get back to. You know I'm listening to you and I. And I'm thinking exactly that in going back to something that worked for many years and and not all women. Want to open their own doors I mean it's -- but it's just the concept that as you were saying manners isn't just knowing what four to pick up. Manners really is the building block. Of character. And how you treat people. One on one and within groups and if it starts in the first grade and they understand -- been disciplined to understand. I have to be polite and I have to listen and I have to do this. That's what it carries over. It really dads and you know elect intra scene and we work kind of -- -- with mr. Ankiel are a bit. And I just pushing the thought on the way out here. That. If these little things since we call them that some. If these actions are put into place for kids to really aren't. The coming others centered in others focused and conscious of how their actions affect does a rein on them. They put that down as. Think that -- to move. That moral confidence back in the right direction that we lost on Trulli and I can't we called. Hidden attribute this quiet -- forgive me. That. There is someone who is quoted -- through the years that me and errors are the foundation for morals. And down at I wish I could claim that that it's so absolutely trade. In -- because the idea of teaching respect. And teaching consideration. On another word on line. Consideration for others I love the definition of humility that we used that humility is the ability to put the needs of others. Ahead of your wants. If we can write his generation in that mindset just imagine. The moral compass with me -- Buckeyes now we're not out for ourselves right -- our app for how can -- can -- -- today to help someone else. We're not worried about what it's you know what the world Kennedy for me but what -- -- -- -- for the world it can began Tim is that moral -- back to where we need. To comity where now we're thinking. I'm not hurting others that -- thinking of how we can help. Others. Make it sound so simple and basically it is we just have to get on track. To stay with us we'll be right back. But we're talking about management what we're really talking about is character education. You just tell me something in the break to just fascinating about you're going to be working with some charter schools. And my comment -- prior to that line is we are hearing so much about. You know taking tests making scores the focus on that constantly. In our school system. And at at at the expense of PE an expense of the arts and it's just. Drill drill drill and you're saying that in some of these schools that is not the case in their finding time for this. Yes that is very trade you know what's really interesting about the way we've gone about educating kids in the last. Then took a pay 25 years percent. It's not gotten better. Hand me that we can -- need to drill and drill injury Allen and more programs that add more test. And it's not getting better it's not working. The place is that it that's working and -- than. The different way of going about it that's really proving itself me now and I it's working is on something that a lot of the charter schools are doing. And what they're doing is in their instructional time allotment win me land they started a charter school. Modeled by the as that have been successful. And one of the commenting on and denominator is is that in the instructional day they actually are blocking and time far. Character development. Time what we really like to call the education at the heart -- of that in unlocking that heart -- character education minded open to receive knowledge. And what they're finding me and if they kind of booking and education of the head and with education at the heart and by that I mean making town throughout every single day not once a week. And I you know once a month or someone coming me and in doing anything. That they are making that education character education part of the core curriculum which is critically important. It cannot be V and an extracurricular. Or is an -- on the cuts when that happens. Our human nature. Is to put it right here it's on his -- said it's been pushed to the bottom. Rather it and pushing it to the top as we've drilled at their hits more we push this to the bottom. And when we made it back up to the forefront in it becomes the foundation. For the education. Of children. And also becomes kind of the icing on the cake -- say. And dance and it works and the race and I really think is the kinds -- is she's that you hear from teachers year after year. That on they have that ran the -- so undisciplined kids they Everett a roomful of un disrespectful key hits on it dumped here they don't want to learn. And they stand sound seventy -- percent of their time dealing with all the as he sees they don't have enough time last for educating their minds. So it doesn't make sense to flip that back a rain -- Where we're setting a sign at omni directional. Intentional time and for educating in character development. Says that we don't have to stand sandwich -- dealing with. All those issues that come from a lack of character which is all that I mentioned the district government and lack of interests in in learning and said then where are actually spending less time on dealing with tough is she's so we have more time to educate. It is just make -- said. He makes a lot of sense and this -- to open a can of worms this has been very controversial since they want but how would something like this work with. The not you should -- you know talking about it. A common -- -- Well it's it does not stand in opposition to it in anyway. You know common core really. And then the whole sentence is very controversial has gotten totally out of pain and the original and TN as best I understand anything that hard to find that -- The original intent is best not understood that it was -- sat. A common standard for education says that whether you're in California -- That there was his comments senior -- email and third grader completed third -- And here where that the non academic learning that -- that he that they understood and were ready to go to fourth great samaritans -- no matter where that child making United States. They were prepared and ready to name on -- the arrays Allen can't -- it's morphed into many it has it has morphed into a lot of different. But it was also a more about critical thinking -- vs rote learning yes and I'm just a curious -- you know again we don't need him discussion about common Corbett. This concept of character. Teaching character would fit man. We absolutely they'll definitely it absolutely does the audience at what we're trying to do on this a little less -- I -- for -- writers call the strong car. And had just lost to prepare it and to help them see everything that they've learned. To this point. In their education for meters at the heart and had -- trains flights in the -- -- middle school. We call it you know becoming a strong cart. What -- strategy with that in that -- concept. Is to help kids recognize that. That truly this is at the core of their education the -- at the -- -- -- they car. And so every pain every decision I may. Is based in. Actually. We want and understand and I have a choice to bank. That vacancies. How they're it's they're going to participate in school vacancies if they're not going to participate vacancies it's going to be a problem. In school or if they're not going today. Sense anyway that's just one of the foundation. He choose to eat. We will be right back. We're talking about manners were talking about character and we have a caller Caroline from applause. Hi all -- -- only two tremendous. The teacher. Who had certain -- -- as you know. Welcome behavior for years says thank you and so forth and I think that feature probably. Gave them. When you get that job it is that -- hole. And that they feel good about themselves and have war. They didn't throughout the -- Right and but they'll have that old ways and that's important. -- -- I felt -- he really gave them a purpose beyond and now and that's where the enchantment ice and comes to succeed in school. I appreciate to call -- I really do and I absolutely appreciate you do reveal -- garner. Coming back again we will have you again because I think it's something we need to come and continue to talk about. Want the best for kids you've got -- a wonderful play and you're teaching us thank you so much is answered -- thank you want everyone to stay with -- We're gonna be talking about the future of New Orleans -- as we have a new City Council the -- sworn in today stay with this we'll be right back.