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5-28-14 1:10pm Angela: with NOLA Inspector General Ed Quatraveaux on the NOPD

May 28, 2014|

Angela talks with New Orleans inspector general Ed Quatraveaux about his report on the NOPD.

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I hope to be paying attention to our next three shows because I think. They're all of great significance the first one. In particular because it is another report by our inspector general and cloture -- who's in the studio with me we're going to be talking about. The study they just did on our police department and what needs to be done. Secondly we're going to be doing on our second hour I think you'll find fastening I'm calling it citizen power. It's what we've been hearing the last couple of weeks about people who are literally fed up with not having erodes fixed with not having the street lights but on. And now they're taking action. And our third hour also very important to everybody who loves -- -- just loves animals. The real lessons learned from Katrina. About so many people stayed because they would not leave their pets and -- all the wiser for that sadly that. We're going to be talking to the animal people about exactly what we need to do. As we inch into hurricane season. But again we're going to begin with. Something that I think we'll have a -- of conversations down there. For the last year we've been talking about the shortage of and a PD officers. Were down to a little over 11100. When conventional wisdom says we need at least another 300. That shortage is also reared its head. In the increasing number of stories we heard about how long it takes to get police to answer citizens' calls. But we may want to look at the whole situation a little differently. According to -- -- reviled the New Orleans and inspector general. Who today released his latest report showing the NO PD may not need 300 new officers. It should just use the ones it has differently. And want to vote is our guest for the next hour if you had any questions or thoughts on the subject give us a call 260187. Again 26018. Cent. I think you again mr. Crocker both for joining issue here just think you're like a week ago when we're delighted always. This was a pretty powerful report. Because it is sort of flying in the face of what we've heard so much about. Of the -- dwindling number of police officers. The city of course has funded another 150. Or we just started yesterday the new class of about 32. And we are still losing officers and I think that's an important factor to. So it's going to -- up but not like great numbers what you're saying in this report bottom line -- We may not need all of those right now if we better used. What we have. That that's a fair statement. We went through very elaborate and complicated process working with the national expert and fact. Doctor Weiss wrote the text book and sizing police departments. There is really no methodology for that. There is a methodology for figuring out how many police officers. That you need to answer citizens. Calls for service. And that's what we did. We start with a almost half a million transactions calls in the cad system. With the help of NO PD -- eliminated duplicates calls related details. Mall process and some of the categories got a 10264000. So we captured all the data for 264000. Calls. And we were able to relate that based on the amount of time it took to do the different kinds of jobs we could we could we came up with. In our report it says 63. Were short 63. There -- some criticism of -- yesterday because Iron Man par report was that Tony thirteen. So we updated it today for Tony fourteen. And the 61 goes to nine. 32 Oscars. So the 93. That's that's a requirement that that's at 50% of an officer's time. The rest of the time. Can be used for proactive policing community policing. Administrative duties testifying in court and all the other things that take can take up an -- time. When we looked at. We took the criteria that the International Association of Chiefs of Police. Used to determine whether a job. Can be done by this sworn that can be done by non sworn as opposed to sworn officer we took those criteria. We applied it to the the -- PD. And we find their nanny patrol officers whose jobs could be performed. By civilians by non sworn personnel. The advantage there. Is is that not only are they cheaper. And you can't just compare salaries you have to put in the 31% to. Retirement contribution you have to really look at 2030 life cycle basis. Put police officers sworn officers and a much more expects. Than civilian employees. Now police departments typically do not like. To have a lot of civilian. Employees they point out that in tough budget times -- frequently they can have reductions in force. Whereas if their own uniform that can't happen. That argument is not particularly appealing to me because I view myself as is the customers these services and that doesn't persuade me very much at all and in fact is the chief has said that. Now these are the criteria of the international association chiefs of police and our superintendent does is. And vice president organization so I'm I'm sure he's not too. Dismissing those criteria. The bottom line is if you look at the number we have and you -- district winning thirteen. Thirteenth. And we lost officers and Stan. But if you look at each district when -- three platoons and can't hear you live in this guy average listener just OK Norah. Well -- can you can start out at the top there's 912. Patrol officers. It hands. And in those ranks you stare at the top in advocates have food eaten. The bureau has 67%. And you go to the district. The district not only has the platoons but it's also -- detective units is narcotics task force. As in narcotics. Unit's headquarters as well and there's task forces. But the people there's only 251. Of the 912 or are assigned to cancer calls for service. In three shifts so that's divided by three in theory. And I know that some should have more than others right but all of looking at as a citizen how many police officers are on there. Are on duty in my district at 2 o'clock in the afternoon or 2 o'clock in the morning. Right while we had that data and you know it -- I have not updated it for the may fourteenth. But. Everywhere we look. Except in the 50% case. And and we got to understand this because it's so has such a dramatic effect on the -- If you are a hundred officers to work seven days a week three shifts today -- have -- 162. Because they take leave and get weekends and all of -- If only half their time is devoted to calls for service and -- -- 324. He twice as many. So this 504030%. We're different levels of the percent of time that the officers to food. Answering calls for service and what are you saying your findings. They -- what percent. Well we don't have the actual we just didn't we did the we did Parametric if it's fifty if it's 43. Actual practice can be. Quite different. But. If if they spend as much as 50% time of their time on answering calls. For service we're shortening three officers. Okay that's the figure out isn't so if they do 50% of the time. We need not anything more officers right court now. And that's -- accounting for if somebody is ill with some right at building at all here. What you're also saying is. Yes we may be short of some officers but. Let's take some of those officers -- desk duty or doing other things and put them on to accommodate. Right now we knew we said that the you know the NO PD is like the saints they have to take him fresh players every year rather lose some through. Attrition warning that we're not talking about it. And you know PG and did our same calculations and get the same answers so there's no disagreement about what the requirements. Where we differ is we saw some things. Like what you just mentioned that we saw police officers repairing cars. And serving as clerks in the public records. Office and those jobs that civilians can do. And that the real thing they are cheaper but more than cheaper or faster. We can hire. Nine civilians. Saying in less than a year. And every time we put one of them repairing cars instead of a police officer with the police officers can go. -- to the platoons be reassigned to platoons and answer calls for service. -- in your theory of hiring hundreds clerks or what ever non civilians. With that have to go through civil service Kosher. Okay so but still it's a good thought maybe within a year vs trying to fill 300 police officer holds great. -- 150 year if you can get right. Okay that's gonna take -- and yes it is and we're still losing some and I think that's Paramount to everything. Everybody stay with us give us a call if any thoughts or questions to 601870. We're gonna take a quick break but we'll be right back and Angela under the that you will. Our guest today and -- are now having just come out with another of his reports. Looking at how we are using our existing police officers. In his report he's essentially saying as much as we need to continually add police officers. His analogy as to the saints and people every year. What we really need to do is perhaps better use the ones we had. And it all goes back to. As we're talking about calls for service are you feeling good that we have enough that if you have a problem and you call them that they'll be enough that here. -- we're gonna get more into that but let's go to some copper collars I appreciate -- and sharing your holding on Tony engine -- And took the accident McCall up a engine to really been here for a number years. And got into a year the city would paper years ago when. Richard Pennington was the police chief bat in the morial administration's so. Ronald surpass. It is doing a bad. I think this city New Orleans needs to look. The way the laws on the books like -- -- are over across the report carried away. Kept -- damage and -- for years just like old Norman you know. Maybe. Law enforcement official need to get -- yet it's you do on and your parish. Get addicted to these college college and go our separate church. Officers that there would be in tune of four minutes I mean. Some of these cult that that they even. Begin OP -- Parents and suspicious looking guys running up and down the neighborhood. You know -- to grab my gun and went outside the low on -- and I. Want to -- -- I'll. Tweet button by the by the jump on the vehicle -- on the corner ready Caylee. I think -- NO PD cards at the itself. The problem also. That doesn't have a handle deputies they're called times banks and give me a new it to -- like to work everyday and perform like that we'd be -- I think you don't horrible. I appreciate your call -- Tony and your thoughts I really do thanks so much. Let's go to sharing and -- Hi there what and I was wondering is if he does decide to go down the road a tiring of billions to build some of the jobs. Would their salaries be taken away from the salary of any. Speaker police officers that would be tired but good to me that is more important and the other thing is what you go to the civil service road. You opened that door. I don't think you can ever backtracked I don't think they ever put it back to the way it is now where there aren't as they. Elected he would -- to comment. Well -- the the first part -- I don't really agree with. Yes civil service is a severe. Constraint on managers throughout city government. Good -- -- there and we have to deal with them as far as if if we were actually successful in doing that. And that was a problem later. And the very simple two story assign a police officer and there are -- wasting a year of training and you know -- the fellows and and gals can. Carry that carry a gun they don't need that for public records clerical duties. I'll see if that does make sense I can wanna say two major concern -- -- is the quarter. But -- sort of stopped going in the quarter conference and that could referring to -- them. You know -- I don't think the enough policing that general area that was just another observation. You know it's something you did -- was. Would the money used to hire. -- what are those suggestion of a hundred civilians taking these jobs. -- so that the please can be on the road would that take away from the money that's now appropriated to hire -- 150. While there would have to be a budget to harm the civilians yes it's gonna cost money it won't cost as much if we try and tell her nanny police and cost more to turning police officers that nine civilians to do this. Thank you very much -- for calling. Bill let's bill you've had a question for him. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- But it would work. Should just all reports suggest that you watch and things like. That. State ball. I. Don't. What. All want what crops -- -- -- Our board. Transport raw whether or so are you -- not interpret -- We're out here and there are. Tests that. We sure -- a minor traffic accidents. Or that we. Responded the pop. Out to court. Yeah. I'm a potential. -- -- -- -- -- -- they all look back and currently at. -- -- -- -- -- -- Why -- a lot of things -- lots of points. OK and where to start does take them one at a time Angela. It's -- that was the one of the first and unlike most remembers about one of your suggestions as we don't go to -- to accept. While we do have a state law that says if there's 500 dollars damage and the police officer has to go and investigate. That's an example very they have law laws that have absolute dollar figures in them ignore the effects of inflation and deflation and eventually become. Dysfunctional and that's what we have here. When they wrote that law they intend for police officer -- investigate every fender Bender. But everything the governor crossfire under house. So we need to change the law salute we can do this better we can do it like other municipalities. That allow you file an accident report if there's no injuries in the cars that are are movable. At a later time either in the district station are on line and other parishes -- it -- I don't know that other other state as a basis okay so isn't it. What about state police doing working on the interstates go through our area. I think that's important ID you know I think we we need to continually requests that it has a particularly terrible fact. On I 10 east in eastern New Orleans because we do get some pretty bad -- out there with. Smoke in the light Sheen and all of that in. When you have Iraq on an interstate. Highway in that kind of situation it takes all the people in the district. To try to control the traffic and and -- accidents. So I'm thinking said at the very beginning was that in essence I'm paraphrasing. You don't really know the workings of this thing and thank you I have emails from senior police officials can't reveal the names and on the police forces. And that they're not necessarily here in ten. And is they agree that the first job of police department -- answer calls for duty. We're gonna have to break for news I want everyone to stay with us today here on the line please do Greg stay with this. Will be right back let's go to the newsroom on Angela on WL. Again not Ed -- Turbo on the inspector general are very special guest today talking about his latest report released today. Well looking at how we used the all police officers we have. His suggestion is after. An intensive study. Is that perhaps a number of them arm issues that they could be out answering calls. Verses out doing other kinds of jobs such as as he mentioned sitting at desks or clerks or. About fixing cars. Self let's go to our color our -- gruesome pitch. Yes -- Angela how are you today. Calling. He sure thinks. Yes. -- are Angela. Well let me just today -- what was mystical -- and -- -- and a prompt response that call but let me say we have looked at this from the business cultural perspective and from the crime coalition perspective and from the forward -- -- -- question. From the police foundation -- property crime commission to crime stoppers of mean every organization intent on the -- losses this. Has come to the conclusion for a long talk. That we need somewhere between three and 400 more police officers. -- now that being stated it because. And shall we want to have to neighboring world lost police force that has a very pro active community policing element to it. That -- hot spot community policing which is -- national best part just. We wanted to make sure that we protect the ten million visitors that come here year in a -- bar cuisine and our trial we want to make sure that there's. And so weak on the. But now it's the same time we really respect what did you inspector general it is so as when he speaks we listen to. And do we think that there are so good actionable items stories in the his report. Are such it is our fault -- all forms like that that commission is actionable and we assured. The inspector general that we will action -- to walk on it. And same thing with the excellence I think that he wishes to dressing and -- the state police issue -- the state police should -- -- -- interest rates and -- in the states -- -- Portland State. -- the -- -- -- -- there -- point to administrative fall officers you know that you know Rory. To put forward to the City Council back in November. That could be moved on that topic do you expect to journalists -- -- to the China access point to -- -- but we should look at that Nancy but I think that. You know if there's some Smart ones we can do obviously not affecting -- investigative units we certainly -- would not want to affect domestic -- are you an adult content we certainly would not one up. Affected -- the units that the impact -- -- -- that juvenile form for example what one impact that but anyway the chief of SharePoint two. Our and I think bill ought to catch a special way to form an auto mechanics of it such a great idea -- so the actual parts that we agree within the report card we've committed to the inspector journal Jerusalem this morning that -- -- walk on the isn't sure what can -- to -- -- -- in chief and actual -- it's good in the talent within me comic does not change opposition on the ball on this laws and force saw at all. But you do agree that John at clock -- -- says they're ninety positions that could be. Civilian run. And taking at least those -- mining and making them -- police officers on the road again. Know we're looking at the first report when we first viewed that way and on the inspector journal present an idea actually -- and looking at it. We are just in our view our initial view okay from the -- council. Follow the model that does not need to hold on Angela because that'll do respected cut domestic polyps are units and there that we wanna protect. Are there also juvenile crime units that we wanna protect and never saw this as well now I don't know the figures somewhere between 22 and 92 portraits but it achieves the number of 42. All right you know what happened to really have a with a great deal of respect for our police chief is like do the inspector general. But this is the police street straw and he came -- point two so you know looking at which point two blocked. If they're all others such as may be the chief didn't include the auto mechanic -- to escape he didn't will look for those -- -- here are some sort for export that we don't believe that 92 or. Or all of 92 or achievable and you know the scale problem potentially even in the 92 of the inspector journal. Even if there were nine because we all agree on the money can you haven't even need to just be achieved through about nine Mark Cuban -- and can officers more. So just look at the athletics you do you move 92 on you'd you'd just. -- missive for bond markets you do what people do and to continue to do you know for crude and -- officer force. Well exactly what you're already doing. Which is trying to encourage people to join the force. Well that's right and we we're following gaining some momentum on that that was a very slow process that was -- there was. You know that we now working very closely to the mayor Willie has just focus on building it good plan in place with a police foundation to now go back and and build foursquare -- All the recruiting process is now speeding up well we certainly -- to -- culturally on that we think we were moving as obstacles in moving quickly on expanding our own government answered force. Let me ask you up from the business council perspective do you think and this is not to diminish. Any of the specialties any of -- in the rape crisis or the juvenile etc. That calls for service for the average citizen would be considered the most important role of a police officer. No well I think quite frankly it's more important to catch the climb before the crime has scorer. So I would say that call for servers columns after the crime had occurred I would much rather a very robust police force. That is actively patching the perpetrators part of the crime a Corey. So. You know I think that it's -- calls for service and responsiveness are important have been some recent reports to. And sort that have demonstrated that the officer mr. finally gets all of the response that depends on whether it's code zero -- to. But the time responses -- important -- what is even more important. Is that time that's spent on that call in the effort to their -- instead poured in there after by the investigative units. So you know it's part that's one part of policing is responding to Soros calls but it's only one part in it's it's it's after the fact. That after the department a couple of. Greg I really appreciate you calling did you want -- -- and apply it and I agree I think it's a good thing that. The response the openness I'm looking at these nine he positions. I I will say we use the criteria of the International Association of Chiefs of Police which are superintendent is. And vice president. So. The we talk about juvenile units and domestic violence those people my understanding is they don't make arrests. They don't do that they don't do police work so. You know maybe we have a misunderstanding there. But I would like to go back to the IA CP criteria. When -- you know if we're gonna sit down and and discuss each and every one. -- again thank you very very much for calling -- And you think you very much -- here and thank you -- country. Should -- take another break we'll be right back. We welcome you back we're talking with the clock to vote opera about his latest report Eric Kessler panel attorney your comments. I yes I -- and it looked at this report and down. And we've we agree to an extent that add to that extent that we certainly need more police officers on the street. Called the service especially especially for articles -- calls. So need to be addressed and in the quickest manner. Mean you have people's lives at stake you have you have. Dangerous situations and you need options available to respond. I would certainly agree with that but. But to beat you cannot you cannot rob from Andy the detective beer. Because -- It would be facing. A crisis on the road in the ability to solve crimes multiple crimes and in process before robbing Peter to pay Paul. Doesn't make sense in this. What about Susan what about the thing that -- is talking about. Some guys some police officers sworn officers are fixing cars. Some officers are working a desk. Some officers are doing clerk work about you letting those officers do real police work and hiring of civilians to do those kind. Absolutely and and that's that should be a priority of this city. That means you know why offices of fixing cars in the district because if they don't do these guys going to be walking to call nugget there the next day. There's no doubt about it. This administration has to put money into the police department. Can make it work the way they claim they wanna make it work. And and and in doing so I think first and foremost. We didn't need more officers into recruit and retain those jobs as we need to we need to significantly improve this. Economic economics tells anybody listening. That if this -- is good if it's adequate you're gonna get good people you're gonna have your pick of the litter and right now that's just not happening. And in. I guess of the matter deployment but when you have just a limited amount of people. And you have such a large job it's just got to be done. And I think it's irresponsible to just think that or even suggest. That the department adequately staffed as it. And it should because it's something we haven't talked on number ending up our -- -- I think it's important for a clock to vote against the south in passenger also saying that we're a little -- -- And if some of those and I'm putting noted about the think that's correct but that's not going to affect. As I can give us immediate help. -- control problems. Take a very long time to resolve it's like the military have to worry hands. I had a friend who was on the promotion this for majors for nine years. So. That's what typically happens. We. Are report is focused upon entering calls for service it's even -- -- we put the subtitles there. After discussions with the department and administration. To make clear. So we you know we didn't try to size the homicide and is there any of those headquarters units because our consultant and national expert -- as a waste of time there are no agreed upon metrics. In in the academic community or the police community. In hand. And so it is just a waste time so we took that as a given but we looked at the the platoons where the where the calls our answer and that there short folks. And there's no doubt about that we think we think as we said before we can. Well Obama sign off fear that. No this is but it's a very complex issue it's a very complex report. We spent a whole hour on -- maybe we'll do another one another time but it brings up a lot of discussion and long thought. Appreciate and being with -- very much I'm so sorry captain Doug -- We're not gonna have time you're calling this point in the state police but perhaps again we will revisit this I appreciate everyone who's taken the time to call. We'll be right back. Appreciate o'clock -- they'll -- coming in and also for all the colors. Clearly some differences of opinion but. It's a very interesting report the -- hear much more about stay with this you don't want to miss this next one it's about citizens. Uprising. --