And -- Byrd joins us right now senior vice president at the Families and Work Institute. Talk about the increase in the number of stay home dead -- and the morning. Morning thanks for taking the time this what what do the numbers show. As they relate to is the number of mom's -- bringing home the bacon and dance they don't coordinate. Well I think there has been a big change. Especially in the last ten years. With almost double that number stay at home -- So that's interesting and I do think that gender roles at home are converging and he's -- Whitmore women and moms working outside the home and being financial providers and more. -- men -- father. Staying at home and being their caregivers. I'm so I think that's good news. Because. It means that -- is really doing what both men and women want to be doing our research shows that both. Men and women want to be financial. Providers and care providers that want to have that sort of -- Focus to their lives. And and to their family life. And there are brigades to you guys anybody wondered about the pressure of being the sole breadwinner is that. At that can be you know a lot and when news like you know playing quarterback in the NFL I'll let -- use you suit up and it's like OK it's -- on my shoulders. I think that that's one reason why young especially. Millennial. Men and women and mothers and fathers. Want to it to construct a family life where both. Mothers and fathers are providing both financially and you know emotionally for their hands because it means that there's. Have less pressured to be one or the other. It it it is hard to do now I think I'm given. The way workplaces are constructed. You know when it -- it again. It worked every war and and a lot of workplaces it's still hard for our. Men to feel like they have permissions to. You know take the flexibility that offered them to take that paternity leave that's offered them. A lot as workplaces actually don't offer paternity leave especially paid paternity leave. So are our research shows that companies are lacking and there. The legal responsibility frankly under the family Medical Leave Act to offer unpaid. Paternity leave let alone paid paternity. I wonder about. And -- have a daughter in and having a daughter will change everything you believe about roles and as it relates to gender and society in LA it really -- and and and just wonder in both first off like I think there's nothing wrong with the dads staying at home. And I think that that a woman should feel as though OK SA homers kids Yugo out make the money I think the time for that is come and go on but when it comes to. Moms and now always make this example a -- in -- baby around for every it seems like but if you give. A dead who may be an ardent weight lifter a two year old at about five minutes is to be tired and I never did. Yeah. You know I think. Semi right he did you know. I don't -- the that. I am not certainly. Sort of general. It does on his own and he's bench pressing 350 at any given the baby don't hold. And two minutes -- they can you give me a break here Kenya may be there for just second. Well I mean I'm going to actually that we -- one of the huge benefit. Men taking paternity leave and being home with the newborn. You know and and really learning how to do it means. It is true that you know women and moms and them learning how to do ball as how to care for kids. It's like -- -- necessarily know what it means. I've I have it and I remember the first time all -- walking out of the hospital on thinking why. Malia and I think we've done that and. It. Well you you look at. And you learn by trial and and practice and there is a lot of research that shows that when men. Take parental leave when their home with their newborns. They've learned how to do this to be -- more comfortable that they you know. They see it as something that they can be good and that I think is huge hit point two what you're saying in -- Now we we I as a society we need. Fathers to feel good care giving. I'd let me take a break -- a couple more minutes a bullet for traffic like this yet. About kids in heaven one parent. And home as opposed to both parents working does that make a difference if -- at all when it comes to girls -- moms when it comes to boys and is there's something innate. Because you know -- side the mother did carry the child and if if and you've learned but if genetically whatever the word I'm thinking of is naturally moms. Make the better moms and dads they too when he won more when we come back and I'd love to hear from you all. On this at T six 187 Neitzel 386 X eighty nine's 087 you got a baby and toddler. And and a five year old at home. Who's gonna make the better caretaker mom or dad if you had to pick one. Finally get traffic -- -- that we get a Michael's welcome I Tommy -- eleven WL talking about the increasing number of stay home dads with. And Weisberg senior vice president of families and work institute -- said the numbers doubled in about almost doubled in the last ten years. -- a little over a million in 1989. To a little over two night and today. And the question I just posted on Twitter and I wouldn't advise our ask everybody to follow me empty talker -- WL is. Our men our women inherently better when it comes to caring for small children because they are after all mothers and not. Fathers so we'll see what kind of response we get to that is there anything assigns anecdotal. Dated that would indicate one -- the other end. Well I am expecting that I can't. We do know that families are. Up and both men and women feel that Stanley are better off if both men and women work and care for the family so when you ask the questions from the standpoint that's family unit. I think you give them very different response from what you ask the questions from the standpoint of whether she is Japan and I think. We're. Very ambivalent as a culture about whether women should work outside the home. What is 51%. The American public saying that kids are better is that mothers stayed home. I think that that. You know I -- Why there's that lag in that -- public sentiment because that we at the damage and work institute have asked. Kids themselves how they feel. And kids. Don't think that they're bad -- that the if there moms stay home. What kids need is good care and you know years ago the damage and work institute -- involved in the debate over whether. It's a bad with a parent at home or in. Child care and the answer to that question was. That it really doesn't matter. You know what matters most ball is the quality of the care. And it doesn't have to be -- -- yes so to get it doesn't have to leave their parents. It has to be somebody who is very you know who was good who provide high quality care. And that can be that hand or it can be somebody else but childcare providers and heading. Roads the cars weld doesn't and and because so many times -- the moms pick up the toddlers and and they get him in the car in the seat as quickly as they can and boom it's back on the cellphone and you know I take it. Opportunities always be talk and it took the child and pointing things -- -- an announcement in and grandparents don't realize the time it's line around away from them as they gamble on the phone. I think that's and that's one. Great example of how you know regardless of whether your home aren't -- but the -- it depends on what you do when your hall. Made it if you're on -- on the whole time I mean the difference let kids told. That you know they'd. They. If we asked them you know what is your one wish. If you had -- wish to what would appease you know in terms. Having your parents you know more involved in your life and what they said was not that they wished that there parents wanted. It could be home. Only to have kids said that they wanted their parents that they. What they bought them vast majority of them sandlot we want our parents to focus when they are all to be less stress. You know to be front -- -- At work. Don't beat -- Don't speeds their beep present get involved pay attention -- and talk exactly exactly and Xena hard -- man. And it looks at higher than it sounds because I mean we all -- -- acting all this technology is. And that also human nature. It's human nature to land. You know to keep checking in balancing what's going on. You know my teenage daughter says. You know fear of missing out I mean I think that's -- natural. You know that human nature that we we have to learn kind of new habits. -- -- -- -- And if somebody wants to find out more about the Families and Work Institute how to they do. Well make him the site that's a good place to start WWW. Families and work done or. Thank you so much in appreciate time all we talked he again. Thank you.