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6-17 11:35am Garland, Iraq threat

Jun 17, 2014|

All the polls show Americans don't want to send troops back into the Middle East…..in particular no troops to Iraq. The same polls show many of us think President Obama is showing weakness by not saving Iraq or defeating Syria. Garland was joined by Ben Friedman, Research Fellow in Defense & Homeland Security Studies at the CATO Institute.

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All right we -- about rocked in the Middle East we've been breathing room -- this research fellow with independent -- homeland security studies and we institute. And welcome back to show them we can buy coach a question short could loosen your answers. I've actually read in two different pieces. Claiming that a little bit that this is hyperbole bug media it's really not that bad attitude to -- nation and that. The -- ruined -- good from march on Baghdad anytime soon -- wanna watch. CNN and box today see that the claims that the soon loser and I'll I'll World Bank. -- one is the situation. What I don't want acclaim. Great expertise it -- a lot of ground in Iraq because I don't have mine of intelligence apparatus the look. -- Obviously there's a threat to Baghdad from the I exit out militia which I and it is really like to Italy at the head of the group of so many organizations and militias. Well which are radical islamists tumbled which probably aren't. -- Whether or not Baghdad -- is hard to -- but I you know I had to -- I think not. The reason being that. A lot of areas of Baghdad. In the government -- is dominated by Shiites and -- -- would be is the Iraqi Army be Shiites of Iraq -- willing to fight. For Baghdad. Whether or not it's wearing government to the Iraqi military or organized it's some other way. So I think that they'll -- Oh I'm. Why of why should we be concerned about what goes -- what is this going to do two outs. Well there's always reasons to be concerned as a human what you see. Violence. Happening. Large scale it is happening in Iraq when you see. Militiamen executing captured prisoners and also civilians. And when you see the country destabilize. And all of the likely result in terms of bad. -- -- -- -- -- -- Then there's some of these side of the board yet could have an effect on older other than. Simply -- and then put. I think -- be effective miner BD -- this group is is being portrayed in the media works and al-Qaeda more brutal al-Qaeda. And if that's true it's a little bit beside the point I think the question from the US national security perspective. Is what these people have been mine for on Saturday. Interested in attacking the west as al-Qaeda. -- we think it nutritionally it and I think the answer is not obviously the behavior indicates that they're mostly its disputed events in Syria and Iraq their local. Politics so -- brutality. -- -- -- immediate not necessarily have to look at. Doesn't necessarily have facts for Americans you're in the United States in -- the stability -- Iraq is not I don't think work fighting another war for will be. Greenback experiment. I don't think it worked out very well I don't think about we know how to organize Iraq politics -- it's worked at us so. It doesn't matter and not for -- to get involved in the opinion. This silly example but you're talking about Washington Post this is how they described it. The Islamic state of a rock and Al Sharpton is I -- Has become the most aggressive and ambitious extremist movement in the world. Also the most deadly the most accomplished. Dwarfing -- kinda in the influence and impact. And I agreed. Two reports one says it's only 7000. Of them Melvin says it's 4000 of them and both of those reports claimed that. Maliki and and -- military or 200. Well how can they be that powerful at 47000. Men and and and how did they make the huge military turn and. Well part of the answer is that what the post the stingiest in there it's aside from just an accumulation of meaningful sound aptitude that don't have much. Bigger and comparing India insurgent organization that takes an old territory in its revenue from different activities go along -- terrorist organizations and did characterizations of most concern to list. Al-Qaeda in Pakistan and so forth happily aren't -- Extremely cold fury well organized organization anymore either. A bit scattered in week so. I can get more appropriate compare. I sit and other insurgencies in the world and if you look at the now way. I don't think they are. Ten feet tall twenty feet tall and -- to deal tigers. Word although the ultimately lost -- probably more powerful insurgent organizations terms and empowering capability. And I think what you're seeing -- the Iraqi military has been organized for political reasons to be loyal. Two how key in their four. Not as effective fighting forces these numbers would suggest wears these guys. It's militia are relatively well organized that using their limited numbers well so oftentimes more motivated. Tightly organized groups of people beat large disorganized less minority groups of people would battle. Sounds like something called Vietnam and America let me ask you about. Those that say -- President Obama you're you're you're sure that we do something. I'm looking a report from the general rules Hadnot for the security transition command in the world -- 2002. Selves and 72008. And he says providing the auditors -- good work bring in drugs and a large numbers of viewers school patients aren't gonna work. Let's talk about. OK. If we should do something what can we do. -- There's lots we can't do in. How effective will be in. Short term outlook optional for the locker repeatedly -- -- -- most important question but. I would start with intelligence we can help these -- he'd be Iraqi Government find. The militia they're up against on the ground in. In where it's. Forces are concentrated so that they can -- Iraqi Government can concentrate it. Forces or the militia forces that are fighting it out for -- be Iranian forces that are pretty hot spell out. Good good good good cheer probe into a. Yeah there is indeed and of course were party drink ranging that might -- too much in the short term. Mean we been treating Iraqi military courts for decades and we've been told over and over and how great produce that now we see the results like. I think -- is the big things so. You know -- indeed both surveillance and strike but I think you know we have a lot of strike capacity. -- care we brought into the region and also that the air bases we use in the Kuwait in the UAE. To bomb the forces that are up against. Iraqi. Government side things in that when those guys when the crisis militia -- and sort of set piece battled it happens and and those -- rich targets for American -- So it would certainly Bindra pardon me for an abrupt warm regards limit on the -- as it is. And in the past and rock. Syria Afghanistan where we're bent. Good military people and -- said total trip took place called Vietnam. And I don't think that was war that that was a police action you know we go wind and you. You you've heard -- a little bit in the and you come back out. And in the big reason was is that when people sitting at home with -- hamburgers and brew beer. It's all women and killed children being toward important killed and wounded. They don't wanna be there and and I said to the military people. Why don't -- war anymore we've seen the -- a boxing that one hand. -- when -- knock somebody down we'll go back to our corner and should discourage view in the military I mean the media light Q. Show people that hole what more looks like in the nobody wants to do it. If we use. The fighter jets to ease the drones or we knocked and to take out civilians and get bright -- same -- and. Inevitably they'll be civilians children use airpower. And I think the problem is that. -- all these wars you know whether it's Vietnam War -- It -- the people in the United States are apparently on -- could be -- war I think it's very -- on comparable. With the nature of war when it bought for remote reasons they don't fully understand so it's one thing to say the war wracked. It's a good idea but when you -- US troops dying and billions I'll dying in mangled bodies I think the question really comes home to people. What is really -- to do you we might security I don't think people were app looks set by those things to World War II war. Don't back -- the US civil war in the two -- that they understood what they were due. We hear the stakes were so esoteric that people wanna paint that sort of that's for price -- One final question. And this would monitoring each question -- just looking at two overall and that leaves. Legislative reading everything I could him Wii -- we spent almost a trillion dollars in Iraq couldn't have been involved in -- we've been involved in. Saudi Arabia Kuwait you -- And a -- to places that we haven't had much to do -- -- Tunisia. And Curtis and seem to be doing just fine how is that. Well. I mean this summit and you know -- we don't involvement places because they're fine. I mean there were this. Right well look I mean. Both of those places. I'd produced and of course is not a country that they have -- lot more people. It's optional political institutions and that allows them to avoid a lot of the the turbulence that more divided in institutionally weak countries like Iraq. It's very awkward in -- as part of Iraq into its existing that we. Hold ourselves over and over in the ability multi ethnic Iraq but from the get go we sort of -- deter birds. A pass on patents that you don't really have to be part of -- that you inaugural ball girl government. Basically so it's sort of exposes the man. That we can delete this multi ethnic democratic state. Bill and I think a learned something appreciate the time reaction to you very much you have great day. --