A federal big improvement from his supervisor. Whereas hit every DR -- WWO pretty address bar opinion -- Today he would -- Would you pay more gas taxes for better roads highways and bridges and 68%. Abuse absolutely. -- The reason we ask this question. Is. Two senators in Washington. 10 braves the federal rule gasoline taxes from eighteen point four cents a gallon to 24. Point four cents. And the reason they do or Howard trust fund which shows. They had about fifteen billion dollars from inventory of 22 billion dollars yet it is at this point. Goes at least according to the -- agree totally boss by late August of this year so if something happens to be done. And the question is why and and -- -- money again and where does this column and one vehicle sugar run out of it and with Kevin to good. Directory infrastructure policies under or more progress Kevin thank you so much -- appreciated that time. Thank you I'm glad to be here good idea bad idea or or is it just that I deal we can of can. Tend of 04. I think this is. -- really could proposal and one that. At the Center for American Progress supports. -- our infrastructure is so critical to war economic productivity our competitiveness. And you know for -- really about their quality of life how much time. He's -- in traffic how much time -- this you know from the families and the types of jobs. An educational health care opportunities that they won't have access to transportation provides all that and we need to make sure that it continues to do so into the future. And wonder what a look at that one of the things -- say you ignored don't worry about the increased we're gonna offset with tax cuts. For end of their six of -- -- and let's get to a couple of and forward take a purge break. One of them is research and development tax credits so. What was suddenly in all all programs -- resurgent development federal government will be -- jobs. Board transportation. -- I think it's important to understand it appears. In indirect connection sent between means that individuals would be paying. A bit more at the pump when they -- before they drive. That's some of the tax breaks that they're being talked about in this tax Extenders package have more due. Corporations and how they do they're counting so. For big companies. That have a lot of research and development activities. This allows them to write those off and and lower their overall federal tax burden some of those savings. Would be passed along to consumers sometimes not how much actually. -- accrues to the individual will really depend on exactly what the final. Makeup of that tax bill is -- at this point it's really hard to say what it will be. So Lou let's just make it up come through it -- that research and development right and what they're -- you -- raised against facts and we do you -- a break on the taxes you paid for or indeed. Bright and so really what they're trying to say is that. You know use the individual may pay more on one side that the other and again if apple were to be able to write off summits research and development. How broadly it's a society we like that because we want our companies to be as competitive and it's cutting edge and we know that. You know having new products and being at the forefront of technology is something that keeps its competitive as a nation and we're short of stitching two things together that are really directly related over. Proponents of this gas tax increase senators -- Byrd and Murphy -- release saying well. Overall as a taxpayer. You're gonna be roughly hole because some of the savings that are gonna go to these corporations will be passed along to you more product per. And expensing bus small businesses that would mean hey those -- mural and small businesses. Uga did a break called the tax breaks for route but what you spent. That's right and and I -- I think it. They're doing rights saying why stepping forward saying. You know we need to make these investments and if we care about transportation all the things windows that we have to be willing to pay for it. But again any particular tax provision. In the sense is disconnected from transportation directly and it becomes more the debate about. What does efficacy at that particular provision what is intended to accomplish. So we wanna support small businesses is that the best way to do think their -- you can be found one on either side any of these provisions. It's like trading credits for building and wetlands you get a permit to build and wetland -- You have -- at that ridge perhaps a little bit more quarter no actually no the parish -- the tell -- and buys something in. Perpetuity. That's the same or even better. I like that. I think it's it's a broader argument that they're trying to make -- say that. We we know that there's still a lot of middle class folks out there who were flirting with the slow pace of recovery following decree recession. And we know that the pain will offer at the pump for every gallon gas is not something that people -- really excited about so we wanna try to figure -- away to make -- total tax liability. Approximately the same as it is today. And -- -- that we were gonna do that is if we were the past against sex. We would also try to pass this extension. Tax Extenders package which would prevent some of these loopholes some of these rates from going up. Some of these write -- from being closed. And -- -- future tax lower the other and so there they're trying to make an argument that there are certain ma bell to post here. But again the connection between what those Extenders might be in the gas taxes is indirect. The governor of your -- jaguar opinion poll would you pay -- effects and better roads and highways and bridges been as. 74%. Borrowed out of -- though it's down to 68%. Open so. Very clear no the reason we've been asking this question or national I would trust one. Faces about a fifteen billion dollar gap between projected. Ending in the -- could collect in coming please in the taxes and you'll -- And we've got two senators in Washington. -- -- changed as part of raising the federal tax eighteen cents plus a gallon to. 24 point four cents per gallon. -- -- in the water doing their moral offset. The tax cuts did that tax increase with tax cuts. And they have boats that stuff. Feeling being dead yet you're paying work here but we're cutting. Taxes over here they're gonna get to you -- -- that their preachers at least. Hopefully come to were -- watch. Federer and stay on this broke the revue with Kevin -- good directory infrastructure policies that are. For American progress. What do you think about the reports that scene where the government the states even local governments. Are considering. Devices. That show who's driving the most and the more you drive them or -- So I think this is a really exciting idea that something that folks inside of the transportation community have looked out for a number of years. And it would be a device in your car that wouldn't track where you are. At any time it would simply be calculating the number of miles you've driven that you would be charged the based on the number of miles and the reason that people have started to look at this new technologies that Carter. So much more radically efficient then -- what they were years ago on the gas tax is put in place so. To put it in perspective -- average. Light duty vehicle so that's. Our like trucks or suvs on average fleet wide. It -- 23 and a half miles to the gallon. The Obama administration has an agreement with auto makers that by model year 20/20 five. Game. The new efficiencies scanner will be 54 and a half mile now. What that means is people are driving more and more but actually paying. Less and -- gas taxes and that efficiency gains. Is only going to increase in future years as more fuel efficient vehicles kimono road. Hybrids and full electric vehicles and so. Charging people based on distance rather than fuel consumption is really a way to provide predictability. And stability fund. It just -- to lady who represented buried very conservative organization heritage you rip present the more liberal side. Would save you -- you would want it to older and I think she -- reluctantly agreed to -- Rule regardless what we say here in the south about small government we don't trust Washington. We also says -- about state and local government. Where we all words. No kids throats and too much corruption too much warns will pay more taxes no. Well our streets and deteriorating. Losing our coastline. Infrastructure for water basic drinking water is breaking with its half of -- being lost. And we say it will really wanna text. But bureau -- and pay more know they've got enough. They use the better if they used it legally. There'd be enough. How do you get past that it seemed like a big roadblock. In anything whether it's a liberal agenda -- conservative agenda feels like group law. I agree that is one of the biggest challenges we face I think part of it has to do it. Trying to measure the ways in which investments. Really do improve people's lives and help boost the economy so it's one thing to go to boaters say. These things are important I think it's something else entirely to go to them Wednesday. Here we were able to accomplish with the last. Said the money that you gave the secure shall we think will be able to accomplish in the future. And by the way we're gonna come back in the future or -- you yourself what really happened security improvements we made. And so we're good Steward of these public tax dollars. What do what do you think about those Tuesday. Routed -- from remove the barriers. -- federal funds Gibbs that the states for their own infrastructure. And and let them run with the way they want. I think it's important to note that most of the money that's spent on surface transportation. Is raised. At the state level the federal share is smaller. There's two sides. But it's also important remember that states are not islands they exist as portable power transportation network. And one of the import rules of the federal government can play used to. Have financial assistance. For projects that are tough for states to do on their own but which clearly has benefits. And regional and national scale so whether that's a major highway project whether that's pork projects. Our rail lines and aviation improvement there things that people which struggled to pay force they had to do and one. But with strong for the partnership they can do that and the benefits reverberate beyond just state workers sort that victory is a -- their for the government. And also ensuring that there's a cohesive clear policy vision we also don't -- necessarily have fifty states doing fifty different things. And we end up in a position where it's not a system to work -- Given drug complicated subject to help -- we can talk to experts are depreciated to -- very much real good. Thank you very much. WWL big celebrity AM when applied to reopen got robbed of that review we call that thing.