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6-24 10am Garland, decriminalizing marijuana

Jun 24, 2014|

Why is legalization of pot still a battleground…when several states already made it legal? What if the pro-marijuana crowd gave up and said go ahead…keep it ILLEGAL? Would you have confidence in law enforcement that’s only successful at keeping drugs from coming into America 10% of the time? Would you pay a lot MORE for drug enforcement? And, wouldn’t we lose our jobs if we performed that poorly? In the first half of hour Garland was joined by Dr. George Capowich, Former cop and Criminologist, Dept. of Sociology at Loyola University. He was followed by James Gierach, Former Prosecutor & Board member of LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition).

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It's all gonna talk about something. We're talking about -- minute -- before drops in particular pot but we won't control. It board what's beginning to look like that was removed talked to the experts added -- -- out. With some states legalizing pot others nod. There's. -- this is a terrific application of the law. In some states. Mom and pop corporations. -- losing their homes their possessions. That bank accounts. Because they got caught roots of marijuana plants. In other states. Go into our house. To arrest somebody torrid investigate -- -- war and interfacing pot plants they've got to ignore them. Because in his two incidents that -- legal. So there seems to be a lot of confusion in the question outward. He is how successful. Or we -- this important time in search for more. What are people always called talk about -- things expert doctor George cup which. Former policeman now -- colleges to four and sociology. Loyola university. Doctor -- sure appreciate -- call. -- thank you -- -- let me start to -- -- kind of strange question that definitely. Rendering USA. Last week here's the headline. -- when -- journeyed to the midwives. And it's it's I didn't -- Border drug seizures rock acts but about 90%. Of the drugs get through. Then it's. Please. Beds. Stately. Border Patrol agents. Estimate they have intercepted only five to 10%. Of -- and smuggled. Into the amendment states. -- they'll look at the DEA numbers -- think they claim that they've had 10% effective break. Let let's do a hypothetical it's that'd be pro marijuana pro. The roll up their hands broken no no more gore back -- all the legal -- They tickle of in most businesses. And what would happen to employees. Manager's seat you rose if they were 10%. Successful. In the job they were given there'd be five war. They should be told and shorter acting totally tour order. To bring that up 78 and in the pursuit. What happened in law enforcement in this country was said all right you get albeit illegal stuff you would keep going when it comes to drugs. -- get insurance. Well I think I figure two issues here and -- news -- bill. Think it's possible for law enforcement to show results. That's five to 10% complications confiscation. Rate has been pretty constant for decades now. Regardless of the money. Federal government spends upwards of ten billion dollars should a year trying to do. Confiscate. At a K now pot. Well. Yeah. And it's. You know I mean the issue about whether. Putting more resources into the effort I think is it ought to be a dead issue it cannot be effective. So even if we could afford it which we couldn't which means you for 10% successful and home wannabe. Fifty or sixty or 80% successful. Money would be. Prohibited. An and you would be released com which tuned to wanna. Year the year chasing. Any decline -- where you have a drug. Dead has been missed classified. In terms -- dangerous drugs should 4405070. Years. It's classified. As schedule. Change schedule drugs is heroin and -- -- the right schedule one. And it just doesn't fit. The closure by the definition are supposed to be. New drugs should have know who. Medical purpose. That are highly. Addictive. Iran as well some other factors in marijuana it just doesn't appear. So I think it's. Before even getting to an issue about whether we should devote resources to it there's the issue of even if we do daddy will not be successful cannot be. Drug marketers to -- first. The demand is Q. The whole arm. From using -- it is not. A big social. Issue and then if you pointed out people who horror. -- -- Facing very serious. Penalties city property confiscated. Number -- of -- and I just think. Pursuing. Is so -- Governor of -- project more opinion poll we dour and they ask you whom they aids and then as you. Several states have already -- marijuana legal should be made legal nationally. Or is this change in the years -- been appears 67%. Of you say yeah ups. And should have been done. Where doctor George capital which where this former policeman crewman college's department of sociology. At Loyola. And doctored. It would be correct me here on -- -- -- when we're talking about drugs in general. And that's it everything I've read says police state troopers -- please DEA FBI. The best they can do and stopping drugs ten to 15% it looks more like -- percent. If I understood you correctly. When I asked. How about we saved to law enforcement to windy -- dual whole lot better than that since you insist. On the drug war I think you said do doing a whole lot better -- that has virtually impossible did understand that correctly. Aren't yet -- yeah that is that is what I said well well you know there and -- alterations. One news in there -- the market is so widespread in divorce. For every. For every column. Step all enforcement might -- this year is always an easy work -- for people who reader growing it distributing it war. Com or exporting it. The demand. For. It is -- It's not seen and it's dangerous. Drugs of people aren't deterred from using -- You know recreational user might use the same way. Someone uses beer or urban network. And so. And it's it's sufficient some misplaced. Priority. And and so I I would argue that even if we could afford it even if money was not the issue we have as much as we want. Com and hire. Com. Border agents in. And and more police to focus on. It won't be successful in this and that using focusing on the money in the area. Means we don't focus on things that are more harmful both individuals. And choose sides. And then we end up. With the rest we do may. Or that or maybe on this. They end up. Is imprison nonviolent offenders it increases or corrections. Cost. It is estimates. Neighborhood she did interferes with people's future because now they have felony conviction which. Action party job -- -- -- the implication church which merged. I just think it's. A waste of time. Dude you feel this way when you were policemen. Why what do you think -- -- salutes mindset. Seems to be not nobody held. Well I think there are several reasons what is that. You know there -- theory is the you know history has. Contributed to -- into a misperception. Drugs and narcotics. In general. And the police column from the general population and so there will be there will be people prayer. Ku. Hold congress change users years -- accepted for many years despite. All the evidence of the contrary. That marijuana is a gateway drug to more serious drug use. And there isn't. And elves of evidence in the in all of that in any. Any search that's been done and yet people in the public as well as in police com. And up. Holding. I think also police or hand me in the top spot even yet today. Might be old. You know it's it's it's not a good enforcement is doing it should be legal or at least decriminalized. And controls. That. Went faced with a situation and they they're not able to just simply. Ignore it. Because it is contradict and they can't just. Just avoid. You know and and and so I think there are lots of reasons that. The reason. And in reading over the last couple of weeks. I've found something called Berlin or barring grants from the federal government. -- -- -- -- You as more than four billion dollars in the serious there me in front by the orient. And the federal officials that are -- acknowledge. That many police she -- and share. Believed racking up brushed in particular on -- Bolster their case money they have to depend on and and they even site Kingston you -- elderly couple. A thoroughbred horse form hundred plants. Two and a half of four years in prison. -- lose all the -- you lose their home. There -- totally wiped out over a couple California. Saved all their lives to build the bill by a building in retirement. One in the offices in Britain about -- to legal. -- company and the fifth came and took to build and because it is against federal law. Or prisons. And police departments law enforcement. So tied to go profit of raw eggs that they can afford to have legal. Well I mean the burglary. Operates as a -- Korea which means that the federal government sends it to states and and it's -- minister. Usually the state level to local. Departments for a variety. And you know it's it's long been an issue with him. With the law enforcement. Focus saying on what we're searchers would call process. Which is -- so. And the church is shown -- time that. That's this place that not measuring what matter or many other things ought to be. Consider. But -- in age social. And political. Situation. It's you know the dynamics. Oh legislator. -- -- officials -- even -- an official coming out saying we're just -- do this anymore or -- Repeal it alleged change law. Which was tried. In and out. Minimal -- here -- and a half months shall act it fails miserably. And so that the political dynamics in the social dynamics behind help people spend monies don't. Were running out of time. A logo have more of this -- solution always appreciated the call you -- -- Doctor George couple former policeman Romo knows. Department of sociology and we're gonna talk to represented to boom boom lead -- that. Law enforcement against prohibition. But think about doubled the doctors and former policeman. He said. -- idea of saying to one port isn't okay your tune on this drug war in particular would. Instead of 10%. Success rate which all of us would be fire. If that was our percentage of success and Georgia. About to bring it up to those 708090%. While willing to. And the doctors that would impossible. -- -- -- -- that you do wing and power to do and then he said the plot itself. It's classified as a schedule one drug right up there with the Irwin. Patients predict that shouldn't shouldn't he misses a former policeman and the crew well. So were we going with this mean. We were were being 20. That we have a ten to 15%. Success rate in the drug war. It's cautioning those -- true million dollars. And we know we can improve those numbers. Doesn't and some that you -- -- smell a little bit like. This movie is reaching places. That we don't see yeah border -- -- about drugs again pot in particular but drugs overall but. A little bit different twist on -- today. And it can't be breeding usaid today live -- the other front page story that says. Terrible and shouldn't journey to the midwest. And the second headlines this. Border agents. Seized drugs. At about 10%. 90%. Gets through. Then then couple paragraphs later Tuesday authorities estimate. They intercept only 1050%. Apparel one. There of the big deal that the ruling in -- pork. -- to get into the guts of the article only talk about it is virtually impossible to eradicate. We're gonna stash houses all with this country. The whole system is highly compartmentalized. Nobody knows each other in the drug trade and nobody knows anything so quote. When we stop the nobody knows what to all of the rule is. When we -- god and everything. And then we had a couple of years back if you fund apparel apparel reported a would be a big blow. Today. Common opponent fifty to 6200. Pounds of Irwin on a regular -- so. It's not successful in practice fatally. Trying to boost the wild idea isn't it. In most of our professions. If we are higher and federal care here's your role. And the ball came -- To do an update or are you go 100 thing going rate on 10% successful. And board -- about -- Those certain we all know what would have gotten. You get fired that your brother so what would happen in a mean. We got a little poll that reflective of what we usually see. -- bureau protein drugs -- opinion -- we say selves -- recommended marijuana legal should be made legal actually. He started a 175%. Agreeing with the legalization. Are at least decriminalization. And during -- half -- conversation. With the former policeman. And a -- well Jews who thinks boo -- the drug war and odd beings Tuesday. Cannot be won and now only 59%. So my question is that you would pay the cost a whole lot more. NC we got a hard success rate -- -- paid taxes public's dole because that -- and -- As always a state -- think state what I'm thinking then that would called experts about. Jim mode you're rock with the former prosecutor board member of -- law enforcement against prohibition. Joseph welcomed news show I appreciated talk. Guys could be with you here to westerners. So what is your take on this suppose when you say he told law enforcement. Way -- you -- have a ten to 15%. Success rate. We demanded an end to see better results what what what happened what would need to be done. The war on drugs is a fool's era and we're asking police to go out there and and eliminate. A plant from the face of the year. We might as well outlawed and alliance. They might as well I'll -- gravity. You can outlawed them if you can't make them go away. And Annika were so easy. The companies that make that we killer. Plus two. Would be out of business but we know every year there's going to be another crop of gambling -- no matter what you do. Really the war on drugs against marijuana thing. -- serious drugs like heroin. Are really. And economic development program for the police. The police don't wanna work the murder case that rape case the car theft case they wanna work that don't race. Because when Macy's the three things that common that drug bust which are guns. -- and drugs they get to keep the care the car the planes stuck bolts. Have grants which are coming from the federal. But the local law enforcement. Oh million dollars a year. Groups and burglary. Fact -- we have chief of police. Chief of police organization and I Illinois. That the week before. We took up the issue of medical marijuana and the Illinois General Assembly -- chiefs association opposes seminary sizzle we can't legalize. Medical marijuana for people that are six. And who is here but the the first head of the DEA. Speaking and talent of few miles from my homes. Who now runs a drug free workplace business and making a fortune -- the problem that he created. In leading this crazy war. So it's it's it's just so horrendous because of this serious consequences. That drug prohibition has it put more drugs are controlled and unregulated everywhere. We -- -- kidnapped or do drugs then we slide a product hold much of the choice we tell them that to take. And we got police officers picking up people on and Teddy -- charges. So and so that and -- and that money flows into the net. Talent in in terms of pell grants and confiscated property. Justifying. And that the police -- conducting this crazy Warren -- -- radio ribbed Jim gear Brock who is with the law enforcement against prohibition. Also former prosecutor and a board member. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I think it's funny that the people are still against this bill real. That most of the marijuana being grown in the United States disciple and now law. Com. It he had shipped from California Colorado the -- coach -- and I haven't sent from California to -- East Coast I have friends that live in the war that receive fort pounds or six weeks. Itself. And I mean you know what happened -- the only two guys this on people just like these guys it's not gonna stop. You know the first thing you XP people. About what they do it model for immunity it's tax free money and vehicles small trees this tax free money that's got to think about it. June. Don't don't -- think is very good point. Of one thing don't wonder -- here disorders can be routed Colorado kid overdoses on rallies. People caught bribing ago while intoxicated -- pot. If those or or or three -- and nick if they or prevalent. It never an argument for regulation. Well. And that one case is for real there there was a college student who eight down brownies and that don't city took because that way when you eat brownies and as marijuana and it. You don't get an immediate. The buzz that they had like you do when you smoke cigarettes or use smoked marijuana because it delivers the drug to the brain so quickly. And so this kid needs some some -- -- and happens because -- that justice system works much slower. So he ends up -- ten times as much interest most of from a brownie. Not realizing it because these apples they're called where you put marijuana in food candy years drinks. And and people are -- -- custom how to use them. So so the fact that -- And new product. And it needs better regulation. I mean that's a risk. It's a controllable risk. It is it's nothing like that risk when people use illicit drugs that are under control and unregulated where government can't require a label being put on the product. We have kids overdosing from Maryland at a regular basis because they analysts said that there are overdosing on cocaine heroin -- And -- because they don't know what. When you -- something you give up the right to control and regulated and drugs are too dangerous that the control and regulate. Which is a reason why we should end the war on drugs legalize drugs. And in laces and regulate. Drugs from the states that was some national prohibition. Giving the states that right this day. Well and our state we just want legalize medical marijuana for people who are -- in and can cure cancer and other problems. Did that marijuana can address -- -- statement say well Natalie there were written yet plus recreational marijuana as we realize it's a -- of the parent. They're trying to step it. In Mexico produces 21500. Tons of marijuana a year. And here in Chicago we had a blast that eight tons of marijuana and they got -- that the exit this stuff while lining up making it look like a freight plate on the line. And it is absolutely meaningless. Eight -- that big enough to warrant a box. When -- when they're producing 21000. Tons in the air. The largest cash crop in the nation states is marijuana. Hit -- nation's history drug prohibition treaties that requires the nations of the world outlaw all drugs. Putting heroin and marijuana in this same schedule one. And and yet we have an estimated harder -- fifty to 200 million people around the world smoking -- one year. Hillary Clinton wants to run for president in she says we have to wait and see what happens in Colorado and Washington. Neanderthal. Thinking. -- refusing. To accept the fact that the war on drugs causes what it was designed to prevent. Prohibition puts more drugs and controlled and unregulated. Everywhere. Prohibition -- doesn't work for its intended purpose. But it corrupts the least corrupt the kids puts guns in the hands of kids aren't as big games causes of the shooting. That has necessitates the building a presence at the point we can't pay for schools. The war on drugs is public -- -- number one. We need to amend the human drug trees and give nation stepped power deported drug policy in place in their country that works. Justice national basis in the United States. We need to let the states to act as a laboratory equipment place drug programs that work in a particular state. We need to end the prohibition of drugs we need to legalize. Control and regulate drugs. -- as -- would have been he shows we've done on this topic often -- and having to. All of your role approaches to instantly pollen. And we'll do many more in the future hope we'll get true one and thank you for the time in the expertise. I guarantee that's great to be with you and your listeners. Introduced to do and Jim bureau is. It is not exactly. A drug pushers of former prosecutor. And a board member now of law enforcement against prohibition. And law enforcement against prohibition has fouled dozens of members former police -- state troopers Border Patrol at the -- DEA. All taking a look at it in saying. Five to 10%. Success rate you've got to be -- And just like Jim said that one of the main reason we can't pay for schools in the more important thing. Because even though we don't send a lot of people I am told by our prosecutors from New Orleans. We still assumed court. And were taken up court time with the rest and then the hard drugs instead of regulating instead of decriminalizing. Yeah its. All. -- system. We're law enforcement benefit and what they're telling us they're doing. Never even begins to get done what sense does this all home. Double -- yeah.