And bills. Is something we've talked about it acknowledged. Good drug courts. Legalization. -- legalization of pot. Legalization. On legalization of all drugs we've touched on at all Perot and Colin. Well the original were doing you know -- sure wanted is I think. Where romantic version three of five or six months as sales in Colorado. And we're we're getting some reports of downsides. And to be perfectly fair. Because our board dude in the penthouse. If DEA. And the Border Patrol. And state troopers. And the appeal. All the net. That the best they're doing. Is stopping drugs of the border by ten to that being percent and when it comes to herald when it's five to 10%. And my argument here is always been. If in this job of management came to me. Instead of luck because you convinces this talk show was a good idea. But what we need you to do you're accomplishing about 15%. -- And I said yeah but it's the right thing to do. I think I'd -- go. So one of my questions it is he would give the legalization. To drop in the drug wars. Are good. And let's just hypothetically should be totally convinced is no drug can be legalized. Regulated. Taxed. Like cigarettes like liquor that -- can be done. They can we fire the law enforcement people we can do would be better than 10%. On what their mission statement says. They're supposed to do. That's what -- I think at the ballot question but. -- we're going to be experts I guarantee you we cannot find any more experts. Then -- organization cold -- law enforcement against prohibition. Taller and a former police Hugh that yards is the agent human -- across the Penelope. Law enforcement they've represented. We're lucky to have with the lieutenant commander -- and Goldstein speaker executive board member of -- allude to walk from the -- -- the time during. You know thank you very much for being on board and -- for calming hand and lieutenant lengthy title that I lost. Even now I we want that because that does bring credibility of -- he -- I'm very happy to Egypt. Humanize my. -- tell me go before we get into -- news. -- the -- what was your experience how long Wear and haven't course. So why do you work for an agency in California called on the beach police department started 1983 and I've retired the first female lieutenant he in 2004. -- spent almost 22 years in my career. And during that time is our city plan with a very request of law enforcement agency so we get a lot of different programs. I started school resource officer program. On our high school campus that is still there to accept all. In addition to working and you can't run again in -- and I'm managing and working our -- Investigations unit which was our narcotics unit. And I think very clearly what -- on in Miami. Professional career. Is wan port that you brought up something that's so critically important -- said. You know only -- we only get ten to 15% of all drug companies and that -- about what were predicting. And if -- really hot for the people with uncle counts they will actually tell -- that it probably more. One had been on it and it now three to 5%. So you know. -- that we put out. Really. Nobody knows because we don't know how much is making making its way past our borders. And some might have been known the couple businesses and so. Our business operating out -- We would be forced to close. Because clearly we're -- except well. Some law enforcement the one place where we stopped. On him out in addition and an active policy is with regard to the drug. You know what and you opt for an operating at -- -- we're going to actor career criminals or people who really truly. And -- seen other people you know impaired drivers. Domestic violence. We're successful. Has it makes an impact long term. What with the pipeline which college you know drug cartels optimal drug dealer lack mall. On top of that head. And yet there come. Because we never deal with the species. Which is how to manage America's drug problem we take this very moralistic. Standpoint that the only way to manage it is -- trying to achieve. A drug free America will we know in a free society we're never going to be tried for. -- and very quickly to. My portion -- my law enforcement prudent when they tell me I'm. Out of my mind before the legalization of partnered -- very pleased decriminalization. Of hoard drugs. Do they always told me about the consequences. Will be well looked at the results. Of what they say they're doing they're failing. Use. The figures that I founded the years. And didn't government web side. -- -- success rate of five to 15%. Or probably that rate probably lower in the not. Why should we not to locating. If we're gonna continue the drug war column would come to -- with the plan. That that illuminates. 80%. We should we and to do you -- And the problem is there interest -- Inquiry they can. Our lunch in easily look -- Japan your history -- served in the Vietnam War. And probably one of the the greatest feelings of the Vietnam War was the group think mentality that that. Could not -- could not properly analyze what the policy issues war and how they played out. And so that exactly what we're looking right now are we -- that the entire criminal justice system. And how it revolves. Around the drug war will it no accountability. There's no metric effects that. And they don't you know they had other metric of success. The problem is is deputy on a public health model. And in a public health model we would use the same type of metrics that we done -- Things like impaired like being teenage pregnancy. Or are -- And we you know and with the exception of impaired dried -- one account to keep reducing teenage pregnancy or smoking. We've done that without sending people to prison for twenty years like Louisiana is known for -- you have ward and one marijuana. It would when you ask him. And you -- it shows. -- sponsor group the only thing. I'm sure they don't say well we're all thinking together would want answered do they give you when you say you're not doing your job. Strictly can't answer that and and they go back to what we -- our -- And this is what the public wants us to do and and I think we have to go back in is that you know you asked the question is. But pop has taken their hands off how law enforcement. Polices people. And we need to get back into the driver's seat and demand accountability not just relative to the issue is. Drug enforcement but to be issues of how we police our community. Period simple in the story how we train our police officers what their role how we should actually properly dapper. And law enforcement the last twenty years I think the big portion of the culture of law enforcement within the military. Thinking and the -- the end of the war on drive. -- we have bought into our own self important. And what we have to take in this man a lot of work warriors we protect people. Instead of looking at our communities in the fashion that -- helped lead with people an order to enhance public safety. We need our partners that until the war in war the only way to win is by killing people and destroying them. And then we make peace with them afterwards. You know it -- Portman has said they'll never make peace with trucks. And and so. You know we can hold them accountable by reducing debt by. We can hold them accountable. By changing the law. We can hold them accountable by not a lot and influence politics. And and want drug policy reform law enforcement is the biggest impediment. So I think we need the pain and in some other ways. That are necessary now I mean I -- to say that I think that want Portsmouth. Is that -- noble profession. We want to weigh in because of the drug war we didn't -- people. Better be -- -- states like Louisiana and deceptive because what police say. We hate big government. We we don't like being told what to do in particular we don't like paying taxes. -- when it comes to paying millions of dollars in taxes. For a corporate. Friends and structures. She -- For a law enforcement agencies. That have a big -- the budget based on drugs. -- hub we get to the board where would change the laws didn't it costs more than the law enforcement. Well it said the area that there is no answer about it because. I think part of the issue be content is now we have viewed. People who used line. Historically. And we have practiced the art technology. At the right war. Fortune what racist in nature it was never about. Public safety. Pitcher Roger addiction and mr. Holden. And recorded conversation. Let me take a break here we're gonna go to news and thank goodness. I can keep terribly with a couple of tech community texting alone on again. The reason is this is that the war on drugs is -- important all of us again. Colorado where is heading towards her six month and Robert Rhea Durham being the first state to legalize marijuana. All of the U Gallup polls that I -- soon perhaps majority of Americans -- legalization of pot is an admirable. We got forty states -- -- -- some of their own law and we get sixteen that the decriminalized. Pot and we got others. Then the next month or so that -- to others. Are gonna room that same direction. Large swath Susan country if you get caught by with a small amount we've -- at a concert is about saying is getting speed ticket -- -- -- No big thing. President Obama as -- states to experiment. Used and taken some small stuff. To encourage banks to do business with the companies involved. In the -- States were -- the part traders legal ones leave me. And in the meantime. Here's New York Times article five months is sales. Colorado sees that down along side of legal. One man in -- they call McCain and the begin briefing about the into the world. Opened his family -- pulled out of my hand and killed his wife. Hospital officials -- treating growing numbers of children in all sickened by potent doses of admirable man or one. As insurance in the neighboring states complain about its own drivers streaming out of Colorado. To better understand -- -- of former lieutenant commander of a good time gold stream note speaker. And executive board member probably -- and your thoughts on call or waterway at this. You know Harry is like every now and the lack of democracy by -- -- You have -- didn't. So let's talk about the first -- and me. And uptick in unemployment in Colorado. Klein called. Completely attributed to yet. Have a positive and going down the -- crime and property crime. -- -- -- -- -- And then the last couple years you know my interest in appetite but that kind of you know the mileage rate which -- for every hundred million miles. It is. Watching and Californian as much what works and Louisiana. Am not surprised. And so and so the issue. Is. Now one of the things that absolutely. Is there have been more people that had been tested positive for marijuana the traffic fatalities are down. Which means law enforcement is do you -- their -- Critically important in addition you'd have over 69 point five million dollars in sales in the first six months. I'd be controlled and regulated market. You've had eight under house effort dried -- into I think twenty plastic bent trees and not a single one of them. Fold to one under -- minor. And a lot of positive things the negative thing is they have to work. Are acting better regulations around. The issues of medical. And I think that 13 innings as the industry mature. You will see. Smarter happy regulation of products you're gonna see you know a whole line of fat in dairy. Product that that was brought -- this something as simple as educating the public and parents and people who come. And to Colorado or watching ten. -- to let them know that these of the things that you need to understand about. Marijuana and no different than how we should be discussing the issue throughout the for reduced in the arms of alcoholic. And so I think public education in the play a huge piece. Who would we met at camp that 69 point five million -- the government. Legitimate businesses. -- -- market which drives and fuels but -- I actually the -- is a look at the bright don't want for journal nearly 200 million. And -- sales and a -- one of the thoughts I have with that money. Good news or use that money to do the advertising. That it dripping down the use of super. Pollute and you know people think epic game and it is. Medical and legal. 69 point five million was simply. Adult ones. And I like to call it adult consumption market. And it's he can -- and we think. What's happened -- teen pregnancy. And what it. Tobacco is if we use them and -- two to. A active messages. And the magical being seen. Just say no line. And we need to implement public help out. Messaging and strategy based on reducing. Harm and tribes in our society we -- After except that we you're never going to be drug free in America. And I think that. Part of the issue which is that why -- the issue. It you know our country was founded on separating religion. From government yet we allow morality. When it comes to the issue that brought this. Two. Impact public policy. Of -- New York -- -- Hedlund says zip through rose six months as soon those Colorado seized the down side of legal. -- -- woman didn't break corpsman with candy get a gun and killed his wife and hospital reporting. More children being treated for having eaten Merrill want them -- news and etc. They also point out violent crime in Denver down robberies down salts down. And then they point out. That the good statistics. And the bad. Can be correlated to anything that point drop them so not on in the group and we have to federal and stand there with -- so lieutenant form ten million. -- -- -- clean the house speaker executive board member of the law enforcement against prohibition. I -- one of the questions I have program broke. The one killing him children being taken about them. Call me crazy. -- think -- been barely available in this country for. -- Two years I -- under so. As to how all of a sudden why did this. Violence and made them appear in them. Yet. A whole issue is you know on both side is you know high as -- -- or not I'm trying to take a moderate version. And what we really need to do is do a legitimate public and now office. Let so. Things into perspective. This one man. Who knows what his his streak it. It previously. You know I don't in all my years of working law enforcement. I'd never dealt with someone who who had this type that's psychotic reaction. Jack -- marijuana. And I'm not discounting the violence I'm not discounting that people in and -- Bad issues which again goes to the regulatory process you know we did this without -- position one time. You think back in the thirties. We're at you know one of the reasons why -- -- prohibition didn't succeed at because. That the market was in control of the regulated and one. It became -- regulated. In -- is demand shine on them by the associated with BP's market share by Al Capone and other. And battle. You know the issue is what it eating. Medical or ED medicated now one. I point to go back and say that we have had irresponsible. Teens. Across the board. And so. We have bought some place that -- you happy. That parents went out there pop. There we need to do a better job. Educating. The parents and the public and demand means stricter guidelines on packaging. An order to make -- say no different than putting childproof. Cap on the medicine which now I'll take me five minutes to open -- Any. Well went well cushions and I know we as citizens from engines so. When we are more important symbol working hard to Olympic road should we believed him here's the reason -- to push. Three of the largest bank in the world. Call. Laundering money not only with the two major cartels in Mexico but also for terrorists. Nobody -- nobody says that nobody given jailed. A small plot. When we look at the two major prison corporations and countries rated notes. -- could change. When you look at therein report they say they're very concerned. About legalization -- -- for their bottom line. We do look at what the state in the feds share. In budgets. Whenever they seize a home series of boats seized a car. From people involved withdraw. And when you when you look at the amount of money that goes in all these budgets. When they say were fighting hard to eliminate. Drug use -- we believe can they afford to. No we can't afford to believe them because the issue is is law enforcement is not separating their -- in trying to sell entrap. And maintaining the drug war and it's not the wrong or you can say about children protective services. Or even the drug treatment program. And so we -- the dark right you know public policy at -- what good for the communities and how bad -- -- then not condolences and industry. You know why I just don't like the whole GAO and the private prison. Because. He in fact incentive by this law enforcement and actors to continue to check -- now. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Q managing America's. Fondness. For a lot. I -- equivalent of the question and you Maria. No thought through and -- no comment -- -- always been fascinated. Proposal. That if we -- this story. Concerning the horror of super what they called wolf we know. You and -- out of they cause. In substituted. The word cigarette. With. -- did the debate over legalizing. Or decriminalizing pot. Wouldn't even. -- and plate he would be -- rover why do you think sit reps have not been made in the. I think because that corporate money. It and then you mean. Don't language behind a lot of you know programs are people like -- said that -- -- about am. Who is try to -- pharmaceutical model for medical marijuana. Though it won't accept in whole plan met and that their efficacy. Two medical marijuana -- only one controlled by the farm. And so I believe that at it and it's the follow the money. You know why do we find ninety million dollars worth. At community coalition that we email aren't necessarily very effective. And you know cat you know why here why are we finding tax Payer money. For programs that aren't necessarily. Legal team and positive public health outcomes. And -- good sleepers there we've we've never hero a different side of this thing. Thank you for the time in particular whole -- you a great day not. An. -- -- ghostly and former lieutenant governor speaker executive board member of law enforcement against prohibition.