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7-16-14 11:10am Garland: on shootings in major cities

Jul 16, 2014|

Garland talks with author David M. Kennedy about how to prevent the shootings that have become prevalent in New Orleans.

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About similar situations that seem to pop up from Thailand. There's so what you need to do is talk to David impunity author -- don't shoot gratuitous and crime prevention and control. Professor of criminal justice said John Terry college crew large doses in York city. And they said the David. It's heavily involved in Chicago and New Orleans other places. When it comes to reducing violent crime and very much knows the backbone what we did do. David -- -- -- -- appreciate you give this girl. -- Get me and just an overall breeders are just versions. What should we be thinking about the French Quarter shooting Chicago and things. Getting -- to these things just pop book and mentally. -- -- -- So there're a couple of points. That the most important one from my point is you -- this fiscal I think has been happening for a long time continues to happen. It's outrageous. It's unconscionable. So old that is any thinking person's first reaction you know what what is going on here -- is keep happening. So that that is absolutely right. The second major point is that in old places that you just mentioned. Kings is called game rather dramatically. Better. That's happening for a reason we know why it's happening it's being driven by very particular. Jobs go to war. That job will work construction work hard to saw arranged to prevent the kind of things that got me on the air with you they are not perfect appeal -- -- Yeah and so both of these things are true things caller. Very deliberately getting better. And -- and none of this work it is perfect and particularly. In places like. She struggled more violence which have been extra experiencing. Very high levels of this kind of oil for a very long taller. These episodes persist. Are they getting better over time they have some New York. Give me an idea of couple examples. Of what's being done that's leading to it getting better. So let me talk about Chicago for a moment because Chicago continues. To. The law currently but these national attention around these issues. Soul in Chicago. The site Campbell -- slightly. News. Pretty close to power of -- war news ten in fifteen years ago. So dramatically. Better from. For example the peak at the crack epidemic. It's a barrel. 30% better -- two wars two years ago. And that is pretty clearly the result. -- -- -- is very particular sort of approach is being used. And the true means things that are driving those reductions. All our call once. -- to. Enforcement community and social service structure around the hole and you know it talked about this before earlier. -- -- This kind of violence is not driven by ordinary folks and it's not random and very real way it is driven -- -- -- small numbers of -- quietly active criminal offenders. Most of gang members and members of -- cruise and and other kinds of shockingly effective criminal groups. So. For a long time now warned effective approach has been to identify members of those groups bring them into refused to face meeting with law enforcement community people on social service -- -- and have that partnerships it is we know we war you know you're doing. Just conversations about violence. Would like to help you and your community needs this to stop and we're not asking and anybody in your crew puts a body on the ground. And we're going to be looking at every crime because remember. Of that crew is commuting and we're going forceful against everybody. And in the warlords for example after the -- station -- it was not that long before the -- agencies federal state cool coal. Multi agency gang unit. Put together expressly for this purpose. Have ground the more urgent numbers. That fact crude from which the sugar cane on what ought to be here restore -- -- chargers. And every crewmembers in the war -- understands now that that is the price that you pay when you do something like this. In addition to Chicago we're taking that approach to the streets. And have been able -- always even smaller numbers are we what we call impact players. -- law hour or more and this will be street group. -- most active. Most dangerous most influential folks. And they are getting personalized. Visits. Follow him on some of this partnership. And that partnership -- saying to -- and often to their mothers and fathers grandmothers. Same basic message we know who you war we know you're doing. This is going to stop. And because we know you -- mean. To be. Are eager to put together into ritualized program -- support for you and your family. And we're gonna put you'll notice to do exactly the personal legal consequences that you record establishes for you should you continue. And in the about a year. You know close to 200 of these visits in Chicago there have been. Called for a lunch and only offense and spread so reports of arrests for violent crimes. The last time I checked were under fine if -- nearly 200 people. Five of the 2000. 200 over the most exceptional people we can find -- in the city of Chicago. -- list than Dick breaker. You said some very interesting thing won't fall upon. Say what that weren't talking to a David Cambodia. Professional world and criminal justice's New York -- author of don't shoot were common. We're going back -- Nepal while they're good about the shooting in the French Quarter one people colonel killed me in the shark. In Chicago the fourth of July. Thirteen fourteen people. Many men and -- separate instances. Like. Toward -- separate instances of the people most -- ball with finding solutions. They -- him Kennedy author of don't shoot professors at the you know. John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York City heavily involved. Annually in Chicago one of the places. Dave would have understood you correctly -- -- these blue lips these music ringing lips. Violent. Opts others and in and -- -- But the fact of the matter both in Chicago and New Orleans things are getting better did that I understand. Correct our aid and that was the one individual that was arrested here you'll. Is there any indication. Because that's in Chicago law the time it's called being -- it. Do we have any indication of that here. So I don't have any insight -- knowledge about that particular incident but let's step back from that case. And single. Most important fact I think about all this kind of violence. The fact that there are driving. The the most effective interventions. Is what which we touched on the -- which it is and so overwhelming. Proportion. Of mostly young men who do this kind of thing. Are far in four -- ten various kinds of scary scary highly active -- groups. And Chicago -- used gang language forever the Breeders' Cup toward that. New war ones does not have to kind of gangs that Chicago has so they used different language and in -- -- -- we talk about groups and we we look at these incidents and we say. Art RD group member involved Giamatti who's who's the catch phrase that emerged. And what's not different is that in both places. And in fact in in every city where anybody's ever walked. You get that. Group members who is when you have them all if you look at every credit ganguly -- at a research group processor the Q -- everybody in the room. You add them up and they power to cancer got a represented usually will armed error. Half a percent of the city's population. And they will regularly be connected to 506075%. Of all homicides. So. When you look at one of these incidents. The likelihood. That somebody is group member involved in this series life. And then when you talk about small groups. Let let me read something to you from one of the Euro articles it's. In Chicago. In Minot police in -- conquered the crime -- the huge disparity. Homeless it'd -- celebrate in different narratives gap between the borders neighborhoods in the built neighborhoods is massive. And it goes on to say even in the most violent neighborhood. Everyone is an equally -- shooting and homicide victim soon to be tightly clustered. Both socially and physically. 85%. Violent in the shootings happened among 5%. Of people. If there's so few people involved and if they're located. In burns smaller. We constantly hear about people. Going to jail for five a -- 220 years. For second or third you know they'll get. Are caught with -- marijuana actually wrote a pocket they're charged once they steal bicycling going pro life. Is is there's no way of focus. The money and resources. And police in those areas to stop the ball forward -- Or. They're absolutely years or at least we the we can do much better than we used to be able to do and we're we're going to be doing better -- when we are right now. We just can't to a two -- we have been doing. So law enforcement. Has been saying for decades as long as I've been in this business police chiefs have been saying we can't restaurant way out of this. And there are there right com. Ole Lotta places have been walking up as many people as we possibly can for very long time and we are still left with this issue. So that's not a war. On. Ordinary social services don't war they are spread to that are focused on too many people they often missed this. Series specials -- population that we're talking about. An ordinary community action doesn't work -- candlelight vigils. When in fact if it's three guys whose names we know more vocal in the violence. And they're not out to candlelight vigil groups and she has little display of community action doesn't work either. What does war. Is to take all of those capacities we need more enforcement we need community activism we need social service providers. And you've I'd get a flaw -- that 2%. That's 5%. And you focus very very very carefully on them. That turns out to make a big difference. And how do you focus on the immediately is this the the call any group or. They monitor over a daily basis. Turning out to be all kinds of things so. The call and are very important piece so we're calling to adjust away from doing what we just talked about -- just a way of putting those. It's very high risk people the world and making sure they understand that the police are watching the community's watching. Everybody wants to help. Board. Israel we say. This is not a negotiation we're not asking and this is going to stop there will be consequences if it doesn't. Go home visits there who we call custom executions are. The same sort of say it turns out that. Literally one of the strongest predictors that you might get killed in the future. Is that you've been shot in the past -- this news. These sub population. That and experience has been more in this victimization. And hospitals are learning that somebody comes in with a gunshot. There's new research Seattle -- says that. Are you -- eleven times more likely than other people in the same hospital to be killed with forum within the next college years. You've got a criminal record. You're 43 times more likely and other patients to die quietly within the next five years. The Jews and all our. So terms that we can really work with this -- ask pay attention to this person he's. He's different than everybody else. In the same neighborhood. I am working with the law enforcement. Know that everybody's caught up on social media. They are literally able to sit in their offices. And the war should be he's getting -- to sell it and then go away though and do something to stop them in their tracks so. We we used to we used to feel absolutely helpless about doing something about this. And just took prayer circle back to where we started. Nobody's happy with the state -- play. But it has steadily getting better at our capacity to be effective it is steadily improving. Or. And got ten more minutes you're done and stay would move would take quick news break coming right back. Duncan and David Kennedy author of don't shoot and a the man behind a lot of changes that regardless what we breathe the courier talked about. Violent crime in New Orleans and Chicago is going down. Yeah. Don't know of Falwell proves our own the shootings in the French Quarter of the cornered managed more worldwide attention. And the shooting fourth of July in the Chicago. All of people lists heavily involved and doing something not just about those spikes of violent crime. But feel ongoing. Issues and which we're patrol boat in Chicago and New Orleans overall violent crime is going down. So it's David Kennedy -- told the -- don't shoot. Professor -- of the justices John Jay college of criminal -- in New York's and David a Maryland drew came French Quarter a shooting requests saying please help requested federal. He is getting fifties state please sell Enron all along but their year. You'd you're very familiar with the fact that. I think we've only got a little over 11100. Officers we need 16100. Recently had. 15100 people applied with the department. But it ended up only thirty year and a player -- recruits lot of people didn't make Japan as the new national book. Screening. And when I look at what the mirror is quite stunning. Of the federal government. Chicago. Is already gotten additional resources -- that records. My my question is do more pulleys. In a big budget equate with lower -- crime all the -- and Chicago. Carried them. The Chicago police had put hundreds. Of additional police before -- So then there are I think. To -- -- here so well and it is just more people. Won't. Solved this problem. Your dog when when we're talking him though. This kind of really mixed clean violent -- You can literally. Faults are standing on the corner. And that won't necessarily stop an extra incentive. So when it comes to exist issue. What you're doing with the people you have as much more important than -- how many you caught. And having more people due largely ineffective policing is not gonna help Q where is having a relatively small number of people doing the right. Right work to make a big difference so that's that's one. Truism. But the other is what you're really asking news what's going on what is -- war ones need him I take more guidance on from. The people know into the government and the police department. Superintendent command staff for -- conform. That there is as a human personal feeling among the people who do the work every day that they are stretched really really really -- No no department that doesn't have these fresh whole. Body of resources. It is going to be able to consistently. Policed city effectively. And one of the things that's great about could cops is that. They won't give you everything they've gone and they will kill themselves and they will make things work. But nobody can keep going up forever. And everybody now on the job in the world wants to heal mostly clear -- this series and. On there would -- of bullets into the mirror. He requested the federal government to help from cops program. Operatives spread overall Patrice say it's. Well there used to be one point five billion dollars in the program now. There's only a 181. Million. Then a look -- does this kind of a strange -- do connection but and the good words. Their zone. The gentleman by the name but Tony put dough from below. Out of taxes who has no working with a number of states. To. Help them crunched numbers and analyzer problems. To reduce prison call cost in order to put that money saved. In to the police departments. In two things like caught. In -- innovative policing. In Indian community. Does does that work in the is -- probably should be because in Louisiana. Unlike Texas Mississippi Alabama. We're consciously. Adding more pit people and building more -- Right. It's so cool you touched on couple -- important thanks so for quite a long time. Go off screen February policing services and just use what's called the cops office. Was he's very very important source of resources to order and policing. And the fact is it was the Clinton administration initiative. Call him that -- needed to target for Republicans. And it it's been. Dramatically. Scaled back. And certainly as -- last exchange. I don't think anybody knows exactly what to level the federal support for local policing should be should be higher than it is yes. And I really wish -- They're worried bi partisan or nonpartisan recognition. Cops could get back in two very important role it can it can play. And just because these are people that work with. I would tell you the cops no longer thinks -- just waiting -- extra police departments it is effective their series serious. -- -- The air and space what they do clear they're not gonna pay for things which is good and don't work that are leaders that keeps saying we keepsakes. Increasing. Volume of things we do war to are they under resources under resource across the country they absolutely are. On our ultimate -- And what's called justice reinvestment. -- this idea. Moving money out the back into the system and the series very expensive. Incarceration. Burton. And putting it into things that are cheaper more active. -- -- long term. This is absolutely. The right direction which should be moving his second and I hope the war ones in the next you're too no it's not -- longer term process -- that. But is that the right each. In the right -- and yes. Barrier dressings. They've been no abuse you or ever -- Doctor Who use a worldwide in that thing. It's very important here of these did this all put in perspective. We're big spikes. -- all odds makers and group one would do something. We go look at the overall picture. That seemed to show that crime violent crime is actually going down thank you so much I appreciated the world. You double bill brigade celebrity jail well 53 opponent may call 26018. Celebrity sold for. 866. Aided dungy rule itself. You behind. That crime is down and violent crime though in this city do you bought it. The violent crime is down and Chicago and other places actually. All over this country gimmick called -- -- 0187. We're -- doing a ball walk on the yeah shooting in the French Quarter that cause worldwide. News coverage. Shooting for the July in the Chicago fourteen people that he did some and moaned when he saw him open incident. Received worldwide attention. And we just got through talking to a David and community news and author of don't choose to. And in the that really a lot of mayors a lot of police she wrote in this country heads up. John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. Have turned to him for innovative and different police techniques. And ways of reducing crime. And he pointed out what board. I certainly -- from about a ball was -- and number one. That these things occurring and they and their spikes currency units and have gotten -- -- -- pizza. She -- like a real good 23 years. We all get angry you are all good period ghetto in the review threatened we -- oh lead and everything else in two weeks later. We're pretty much on to the next thing. But David. Is there are all the time and what he says it was pretty introducing. Complicated but basically. Violent crime is that now. Cross the country. Also in Chicago also in New Orleans. And what -- -- really interest -- the of the crimes being committed like. -- of 5%. Quote cruel little community that they -- aware. The violent -- would come from 2%. Of them so we're not talking about a lot of people. And it always amazes me. That that apparently didn't work to put every groups or should god on those view and in order to control them. Maybe even at the expense of stopping somebody that -- red light. But. -- -- -- -- -- Crime expert panel and show when that the -- now. That. Matter in that what are your thoughts. -- that you regret. Doing good ordered books. Yeah -- well -- vote. Communist state -- -- In jail you -- -- on maladies. On -- street -- -- Without the manner. It pretty -- It was a super united around the premiere of day around. And you know like if you're in -- No author of -- no fear of getting beat up no fear of getting killed. 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