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7-17-14 3:10pm Angela: on the mentally ill

Jul 17, 2014|

Angela talks about whether the mentally ill should be in Orleans Parish Prison with crisis intervention specialist Cecile Tebo, Dr. George Capowich of Loyola's sociology department, and Dr. John W. Thompson of the Tulane School of Medicine.

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And with conditions as we saw in the news videos. The other day which are barbaric by any standards. -- mentally -- -- And and others no treatment. And others nothing. Like tickets to what we're. -- another problem is moving them out -- the community that they're going to be supposedly coming back to live and you're taking them away from their families. Most of those with mental illness are being supported by their feeling members and so did you take a way. All options for any kind of treatment for the family to be part of it and may do you end up staying in jail longer because they're not able to make a deal. And they don't have that the -- sources. To get out we're gonna have to take a break the screaming at me but I want everyone to stay with this -- you as well. We'll be right back we're gonna continue this top financial under the W well. We are back with Cecile Tebow doctor George capital which and doctor John Thompson talking about. But Morgan always continued talking about and that is mental illness in this community and how it's being handled so poorly. But it has been brought to light once again by the situation at the parish jail. I didn't mean in -- somebody was saying let's quickly go to war. Caller Brandt thank you for holding. Thank you man look another important show. You know the city at one point one -- city hall and charity little why not having -- insure. Forensic facility on there toward the speak the other the interest -- and -- -- they said that they. They used to occupy. The crisis intervention unity and shared under 28 bit. Could be re occupy it for 38 1000000 dollars -- -- or. Totally upgraded for fifteen. We can utilize the resource that we already. Instead of shipping people walk up there were. -- Has that not come up before the council has not come up before the sheriff -- Come -- several times we have been promoting it. Thanks to himself when he will lure them the facility planning and control. Which can -- or sex study. And they keep ignoring. Well it's not going to be a City Hall we know that so it's gonna sit there like a big bump analogue. And they with -- wanting to make condos out of -- they don't -- commit to this but as an interim thing as the sheriff is saying we need to build a new building. But I think what Brad -- of what when it too caught if it's it that's for caught cost saving. Why are we providing the services within the community said that they never end up in -- tell that to -- -- -- -- costs -- Well I think if we're gonna look at interim solutions. Cost as part of the issue we have to do something as soon as we can. Part of this whole debate to confuses me is stance. Even before the consent decree covering. Oh PP. We knew dismantle. Illness issue was stay here. The lack of facilities slacker treatment. And yet. The whole building was planned and now that's not in the air and suddenly we need a new bill that doesn't make any. We're gonna pick it up right there were going to have to join CBS news for the latest on on the plane crash stay with -- -- again with Cecile -- doctor George capital which and doctor John Thompson of two -- talking about. Mental illness in our community how it has now landed in our prisons. Now we don't have enough prison space are sold horrid where they are that looks like it may be moved out of the city and that the cost factor. And it is Cecile was saying away from families. But again wire these people imprisoned in the first place again assume we're not talking about people with murder -- -- we're talking about people who because of their behavior. Dramatically. Even medical -- it's okay. You know it's sort of like taking everybody before an impending heart attack and sent over guns you know and let's say they get while in crates in urinate in public about to have a heart attack he put -- -- -- that I. NN medical problem. This is medical. Is a medical. Issue this is schizophrenia this is. Brain disorder this is fragmented rains that don't have the ability to operate well but. As a society I think were all in agreement. That once again whether it was from 300 years ago or in the sixties and ceremonies will remove them out of institutions were still not addressing. As a community. What needs to be done and now it is the -- let's just talk on the cost issue. Doctor Thompson has said he's roughly a 165 -- -- to move them to the place you're saying you working with people it's 36 dollars today. We are going to pay -- stopped doctor cap which says we're going to play why why can't all the people get together and say. You know sheriff spokesman these people aren't for your prisons. They should be someplace else. Let him agreed that her and then find the places right and and mark on the low cost for their best care. Right in it we hate you know a lot of these plants sometimes their first encounter is with the place. You know when they're having sort of their -- psychotic episode people with schizophrenia I don't really gets to like 1920 years of age. And on in the encounter is really with the place and it really is incumbent upon us to recognize. The signs and symptoms when that call comes through. And to get that person back in teed fair housing program a -- with the family member is opposed to just bringing them right to jail and fortunately. That is about to happen with NO PD because part of their consent decree. Is to have a crisis intervention team. Program tonight major step forward in its huge and -- -- car and it's really modeled off of our program which you know but that. That program that I was way out. It's been around for 28 years but we utilized volunteers. This is utilizing officers. It will go through exporting our theory extensive. Training. And will be able to recognize when they get these calls. What the deal is and not take them to jail but the cat and I'll tell you that it's. A lot of often -- were so exasperated trying to bring somebody did the -- because that was one hell of a process I lived for twelve years. It was just easier to go to jail and it was easier to get amended -- helping get amended the -- And that's part of the issue too in addition to the tree in addition to training. Is a mechanism so when a police when the police officer encounters that on the street. They have 24 -- -- ability to contact who need to contact get that person if there aren't in a program impact to it. If they're not in a program. Give them when I people who can. Hope tomorrow with the services they need so it has to be the same kind of mechanism -- police have if they arrest somebody for robbery -- in the jail. The city was supposed to per pop -- we edit crisis proceedings and turn pro green right with officers could bring them to this one location. Where there would be doctors and nurses and caseworkers. There was a ton of money. Set aside for in these crisis -- senators would have never happened. Never happened I think I think it was money that was sent down from the -- and was and never unpacked sent back. It was so much money sent back it was a news Dick Dick coming from mental health and that's painful David let me ask doctor Thompson again your part of this working group. Working on the prison consent decree is their. Any thing that could. Be presented to the monitors under -- are they just looking purely at the existing prison. That would say you know this is a complex issue but there may -- their arson solutions out in the community. Well I think you know part of the vehicle -- -- point -- -- the an important but you have to recognize. The guys that probably and does well there. Or individuals that are are likely repeating here in the community are not thinking about Asian. And and there's very few protocol. In the correctional systems. In Louisiana to force an individual to the to take medication. It requires. You know little bit more due process and an actress I just well received is treating psychiatrist. To come to conclusions to forced medication a lot of ill ill equipped to. To provide that here so -- -- a lot of problems. Occur and and then I'll think about it every jail Malaysia. Noted that the whole crop as of when you have a person who's mentally ill and not correct. Or the condition. There's days they -- the and they need to have some type forced medication or call -- factory. And then you know instituted type programs assertive community treatment programs. Those programs. Commonplace but. And really point it is the point that we asked yesterday -- today enemy. I think part of the difficulty is that the city. Has not -- A different option I think there was an. Idiot. -- John -- Probably maybe wouldn't change. There really was no other option of cable by the city I'm I'm assuming because you know in order to be able. And inpatient psychiatric unit was in this city would be odd numbered about or so practicality of doing it. Was not there but we really haven't been. As a community given other. You know opportunities rather situations to look at and and there's not -- -- -- on court and say hey now the unit for. The amount of money is available on the unit in order to you know move them out of the corrections that are. -- doctor doctor Kevin lynch. Well -- I mean there the issue about forced medication is a real one and are our real due process issues this year. That outweighs what part led to that the institutionalization. Few decades ago about how we do this com. Appropriately. But you know there are mechanisms are out there are -- a cork in order. In terms of outpatient. Treatment -- market bubble we need his ability to monitor. We we have a whole -- appear for assisted outpatient treatment so that we can keep. These folks at -- but it's not being utilized we're gonna pick it up right there stay with this we're not done we'll be right back I'm Angela under the WL. Doctor job with you had a comment. While I was just commenting on and off the idea that what we're talking about mental illness and and the strain it puts on. Prisons and jail holes in the criminal justice system as a whole. One of the things that we need to do for these kinds of issues as well as many other kinds of crimes and violence. Is instead of defining things. Is. As a criminal justice problem to find it is a public health pro. There are lots there's -- -- or search Centers for Disease Control is doing this with violence. The idea is that if we adopt. A different viewpoint as a public health issue whether it's mental illness drug addiction even violence. In general. Then that leads us to new. Perspectives so now this cost issues that we talked about -- earlier. It's it's the same framework that health insurance uses is it less expensive for them to. To do -- to pay for them into preventive treatment for health club memberships. Or is it better to wait until we have a heart attack. They've recognized years ago that -- less expensive better for that community and better for the people. If we do that up front. And and paid for the preventive stuff instead of waiting until the blossoms in -- huge -- problem or we have some great calamity -- product officer who was shot several years ago. And waiting until then makes no sense. I can't thank you well enough doctor -- and everybody for for talking about this we're gonna continue because it's something we need to address in this city and in our society. One way people can help though is if they. Want to do this a wonderful organization National Alliance on Mental Illness and every year the -- -- on -- to be the chair this year October 11 that audobin park. It's on a Saturday it's the way you can help. You don't have to pay anything to walk but you can certainly donate. These people -- 2100 families this year 2100 families there's help out there. Thank you all very very much we will talk again. I'm actually under the W well thank you Angela.