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7-18 8am Tommy, Jindal and White in bad romance

Jul 18, 2014|

The Governor and his Secretary of Education try to hammer out an agreement about educational standards and standardized testing in Looziana. Whom do you trust more with the kids’ education…Bobby Jindal or Secretary of Education John White? Tommy was joined by Founder of Educate NOW and Former BESE member, Leslie Jacobs, to talk the Governor's indecision.

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And it doesn't are constantly approval that note. So again like George he would have to plead ignorance on that one. Speaking of ignorance I forgot to do the Steely -- contest because I am no discipline when it comes to managing the clock where there's radio. Station program thing whatever we -- -- -- -- show that you do ago in the morning sordid it would and then 9 o'clock hour because that would lend itself -- of fun and -- 9 o'clock hour were to talk about. Bodybuilding because mr. Olympia. Universe mr. world olympians. It's coming back to achieving mr. Al -- -- EA it's coming back to TP. And mr. Al Orleans. I can add -- the Muslim island into a health club the other they just fine it was on until again it did this need to work on my child to stem wryly and said you mean dealt. That's the same thing as a fibroid yes it well final thing and why would you I don't know how would choose it -- Pretty jet our opinion poll do you consider pumped up body builders attractive or grotesque. 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And how you right into the ground and somebody would say you know about it -- thing in my in my -- pumped up and under vehemently eulogies by cents easily. And I don't know that -- -- but if you like it that's fine and and I just thought the when people look at this senate no they apply -- lot of and -- she'll -- -- earlier matches BP oil but things to make him shine it in cause. Some problems and and also. To dig yourself that being. It requires them starving yourself to death -- standards of the ninety's those look healthy. And is picture of development when in fact you probably about the past sound because it would yet to do. At a Texas says LaRon Landry stud bodybuilder. Away now I don't think we ever said that there -- our -- It's just rather not you think it's attractive and and you work out because of the way you look. Well because you'll under the tree house in which is the greater motivation I think the way you look would be the greater motivation. We'll find out we come back we'll try to sort out all of this standardized text testing. Mess that's on Louisiana politics and good common coolers in there it is say mass I don't know how you're gonna yesterday's meeting -- could expect success from that because I don't know you could have. A compromise between common -- and the the other standards. And then handsomely -- tests the standardized test that would accurately measure the results of that curriculum and what would it mean. Now Leslie Jacobs joins us right now founder of educate now on a -- -- -- the member people's SE board but again as Leslie Jacobs could be redundant wouldn't it. -- -- Yeah tell me about. Any expectations you couldn't -- from this meeting yesterday what it was about. And is there any way to compromise common cooler with what we have now and develop a standardized test and test for that. -- I don't know if there's a compromise because the government. Fundamentally. One's best seat to abandon common core and not have attacked. -- -- -- -- common court you have a lot play Philly and every other state let's be clear there are states that rejected common core. And every state that's rejected common core it's been -- the that they elected chair the governor has not try to. Unilaterally. Do it. And so what happens is if you look at the constitution mean this is really constitutional. Fight the constitution. Says that me. Quote shall supervise and control the public elementary and secondary school. You can have a law that would put in place an attempt to override you know -- -- -- to get rid of the block sale this question. And the law explicitly give me the responsibility. For her contents standards. And this ballot being quoting developing an established. A statewide contents standards -- the subject because. It did it affect -- in English math science and social studies base on the contents standard. And that student achievement. Have to be. Able to be measured. And compared to test scores -- student of the same grade level national. Do you have a lot as -- you set the standards. The standard you you. You are the institutions that -- the past questions and when you do these standards and pass. You need to be able to compare what we can't students the students across the. So how can you do that if and I mean in Iraq -- but eating their bright back to where you were how can you do that. If some seats are accepting common core and others aren't or is there either common core or one standard that's not. Compared every state in the nation there are at least forty states forty out of fifty states in the nation. Arguing common core talk about what content court is the is that into the lot and from -- A case. Pretty broad statements they're letting students sit you know and be able to do. So one of the changes that these standards for example then standard that I put in place. Old and that will call them it. Requiring students use the language. So the best example please give me the information. Still an old -- past would that it is an eighth grader writing a letter to your principal about EU would recommend to be prince. He would be at substitute teacher. A new question might say here are the biographies. -- the -- and made three people. Which one would you recommend to be -- that -- teacher and why it goes on the first one was give me in the Kenyan the second one would look at this date. And give me your recommendation -- much more. Eight has the use the information that has kids entering school today are going to be totally overwhelmed by committee. Tommy Tucker talking about coming -- with Leslie Jacobs founder of educate now former Bessie member and we'll take you calls. At T six 187803866889087. If you have any questions. Or comments about common -- About Bobby Jindal and and before we get to the national politics Leslie Jacobs of of how common -- became so political. In terms of politics in Louisiana. I find it. Incredible that the governor -- his own secretary of education. Would would be at odds with each other because secretary of education correct me -- might be wrong doesn't work for the governor. He doesn't tell -- if he would -- on why is not the secretary of education he's the state superintendent. He is appointed by that he worked at that they take eight to hire them and eight cents to fire him. -- at the state gone too and appointed superintendent governor re appointment on that. So every governor has gotten who he or she wants to be state superintendent and government general wanted the patent on it -- on why. To be state superintendent. Go back to one thing so you and that's really important. The body ear witness can understand what the fight is there. The public can't make that adopted content standards for the fight over the -- You know and and what the cup doing is using the commissioner of administration which is. Now a bureaucratic arm of government to meant to make certain that. People in government down on it checks every contract is the contact properly. Hasn't been improperly procured does that -- is illegal doesn't. Stay with them. I'd -- that the legislature gave the contact. And so yeah. -- department of education and has had eight testing contract in place very vendor who assembled the test and get the tests and -- the captain. You know make certain that the cheating analysis. In place since 2003. It's been approved under multiple. Administrations. And now the general administration has an extension or two of that contract is saying in the context not ballot. And that the site is that the governor wants the state board of education to go out RP. Request for proposal and you contact. The state board of education the governor will do which you don't get to -- What questions that put on the attack. You don't get it Pollack how we're gonna do that RP you're adopted the -- this administration's job to make certain we follow the -- And that you have to -- that followed the law. They're going to request the -- -- -- equipment whether to the governor is they want attest that at least four million students are taking what they compare performance. And that complied with these actions that. -- the moment they do that that's exactly what the government does and why so what you have -- My opinion that they constitutional. Issue that if compromise is not reached and I don't think it's going to be it's probably ultimately resolved by the court. And the kids suffer in the meantime would this be accurate to say that the governor is using his power needed to issue contracts and correct me if I'm wrong. But as an end run to. You reverse engineer if you will curriculum for kids by saying well controller test. I think I think partially correct it's not reverse engineering in the curriculum -- -- that all of this. It really doesn't. And schools in districts -- effective curriculum. Do you think the power of the contract. To reverse engineer or override. State law when he wasn't successful in getting in the legislature to do what he wants and override that -- constitutional authority when he's not exactly getting antsy to get ready to. Marine it's sort of auction imposed here back in June and it says the governor issued an executive order to remove Louisiana. From a consortium of fourteen states and district District of Columbia. That's creating these standardized reading and math tests he says it wants to. Be about Louisiana I think he wants the officials to develop Louisiana standards in Louisiana test. For Louisiana students and when we come back. Who would less -- Leslie because we had a good news is that nonsense is a make any sense at all and is there anyway that could happen. Leslie Jacobs founder of educate now and former -- member of the meeting yesterday between John -- -- -- superintendent. Is that right Leslie. Not secretary of education superintendent of education in Louisiana. That is the that was hired by Bessie. And the governor meeting in and no new ground gain David I think it's human nature I'm guilty -- but I presume Mueller to not new news gathering. Capacity but as a human being -- a lot of times you make up your mind on something. And your passing along some dogma that you believe in and and somebody says oh really why how does that where it is that. The connection between is and -- can't you can't -- and you can't it can't back it up it's hard to explain it and well I guess now they can't be and will and I told a bunch of people. You know in and opine that. Bobby Jindal was disagreeing with his own. Secretary of education and it's not it's actually the superintendent of education that Bobby Jindal was once. I guess a big supporter Robin and Bessie hired him now he disagrees and Leslie Jacobs nice enough to spend an hour whether she's the founder of educate now and former SE members. Separate fact from fiction and Leslie ID you know let me ask you this and I hope it's not a dumb question but. Where does the leap tests factor notice. So the leap past stance that leaving an educational assessment program. The -- that we we can eat sleep cat that it is. Park has not attacked -- they test. And and and ultimately that is please mark that. And so park is the I can remember opinions partnership but it is the consortium that states that the ballot questions that the governor's. Now oppose the new head -- the 50000. Students. He'll pass the -- last year. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- What happens I make I design a -- question I'm a teacher and a consortium that teachers then we're math teachers in the design Mac have -- You don't have to take every single -- question and put it in the field and give to students to make certain -- -- question is. Understandable that it is reliable -- ballot meaning that reliable is every you know -- at the same level will keep performing that. That ain't what she ain't going to matter and -- -- -- Collect and that's understandable that they. Checks that you have to go through for eight has questioned the actions can be part of the real test every now and then people out and say what do. Stupid -- questionable as overwhelmingly that the question that's been field tested and isn't really part of how it is going to be -- The week at 50000 students feel -- questions last year they. And and that creates a texting back and so what would be happening not only is this test and it would go buy some of the questions. And put them in May -- that can administer to kids in the now you can call had the lead pack you can call the APC -- cult -- whatever you want to call it. So it's the differences black. What are the questions that make up the -- and that's to acknowledge that the even states that pulled out a common core. And that isn't the really big statements and when you look at the standard they would opt in -- goes to -- from the education journal. -- that commentary on both sides of the equation is. What India adopted -- exact same standards they did not call common Courtney -- Polls have shown that people are not opposed of the same standards if they're not -- coming -- Exactly and so the question is. Step back at -- very well we schools let agree that letter grade they're overwhelmingly determined by how it's perform on -- We now have said teachers have to show have to prove that there adding value that they're teaching -- for them to get tend. That's measured. I'd attack. -- didn't can get that -- School that didn't. Get out just depend upon them integrate its schools get which are driven by the -- But the real issue is going to have a good path -- And -- the state formed a consortium is a good test is expensive to make. It's very expensive. And that's why so many states and they did it individually handled -- now multiple choice -- And the real estate on the consortium is that every state making it come past questions. Let's get together. We collected and they played better -- Prediction that this is what will be the quality -- attack. Because you want and protect you can because you have. The high level the -- dependent upon. It. Teachers are going to quote teach to the past and a double that if you -- that Spain and that's how markets can they. How well they can write how will be processed information I don't teachers teaching to that kept. But the complaint. -- practically now it is that. It wasn't enough critical thinking it was they wanted more which is -- the material. And that's what this test -- black -- happened. An -- so. The -- -- this is not really gonna change the standards she could call them something in common core. It's how would attest to you could have an entire accountability system. Vouchers teacher tenure -- better. Are all using those past results for high level that. So -- stands for. Sweeping education. Program is that tests still available that's been changed well. And here's here's -- -- -- the time. It is available it's just not available. Happened at this you have to do that has half the field past. The tough questions that you create something called a -- question bank. A couple of years ago this state and an African state money. Quick field test the new questions because they knew that they are gonna start getting those -- question. And so there's nobody has questioned bank to go pull all the English and math question. Again pocket his English and math grades three to -- -- the we're talking not doesn't that I'd go past. It doesn't effect. Fines and also that it's great -- late in the election. One thing I don't think anybody can argue with is that the governor is not an unintelligent man he me maybe very shrewd he may be very pragmatic. But he's very intelligent and I just don't know how. The governor could be a passionate supporter of common core and then all of a sudden. He says that he realized oh wait a minute. -- some Tea Party groups expressed his status that had -- status that dissatisfaction. With it. So we'll wait and as government control of -- education I just don't think it's plausible that a man is Smart. Could be enlighten all of a sudden Indian. Well it's interesting. Public affairs we -- about in my mind and excellent commentary that called the governor on. Mean the governor has his right to change his mind. I the right to say because I changed my mind I'm going to override the legend. Constitutional party at the legislature and the constitutional party. And that's what he's doing. LI I I'm not going to get into that debate. Heats. But every other state with the government's change their mind they've done it they've done it to the legislative process. So how many people on dancing. Eleven and the governor has three appointees. So SE hired John White -- as. The governor. Suggested him recommended him. I mean on that yes -- -- that the underdog -- and governor Blanco and against them. Superintendent has been appointed by me. Every governor has gotten here so one governing -- one state superintendent John like he'd next superintendent. And Hillary's and -- in and we'll wait lately at a time that I think is fascinating and went to TP. He doesn't have the votes to remove John might from the votes from Bessie to remove John White says he got. While thank you Leslie appreciate and I hope we get to talk to you again. Thank you so much have a good weekend.

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