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7-5-14 10am, Garland, New Orleans owes NOPD, NOFD, and the Sheriff's office

Aug 5, 2014|

Should the City of New Orleans sacrifice money for NOPD to pay firemen and the sheriff? New Orleans police don't have enough money, so the city takes $4 million away from them to pay $2 million to firemen to whom we owe $17 million…and $2million to the sheriff who needs almost $3 million.  Anybody understand this?  Anybody hear a can being kicked?

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And some fun out in and is now. A -- showboat seeing new Orleans police don't have -- money and some of the tent city takes four million word from them. To pay 2000002 firemen and two of whom we rose seventeen I mean to -- going to share. Who says he needed to almost three million anybody -- -- Stan and I got his back. One of the you don't. Tell rule people's. Communications. Expert. And they stood -- treat Asia alone and stay in this state in New Orleans please don't have a little money. Consuming two million dollars during trend for the part funds pension income from the surplus as in the personal services budget. I think that was my mistake because I suspect. That -- Qaeda. -- one potter movies. Tour and others in the please department bought. To help you with this and in the understanding home matter. I've Donovan -- Korea attorney with the fraternal order -- -- -- and welcome to show. Org and -- -- and firefighters. Frozen at nick welcome again to show. And doctor -- -- economics professor Xavier University. Give me a better idea as to hold his all words in -- -- are we going to pay your bills in news. Donovan and store with a view. Was I wrong in in pre supposing that that. Two million or million dollars in the police budget could have been transferred to other parts of the budget. Well I'm I'm not exactly. Certain of the personal services can be transferred and prepare -- -- -- -- I think a lot of money that wasn't being used hire new police. Groups was being used on over -- service and so. So regardless of whether that much shorter almost on our. It's ultimately have the effect of at least reduce oh. Opel to. There -- -- and what happens now. The but the four million have been taken out -- -- -- -- But I mean. Or you're still legally get overtime. Well there's still some overtime. Available and they've -- hiring police recruits for the next. Where so I don't exposed to they've completed the entire. -- remainder of the personal services. Section in the ordered. Problem but it does. You know it does limit the future options such votes. -- -- filtering with the firefighters union. We do city you you. Seventeen and have millions and I think at the end of the year the end of the next month that gets to be a whole lot more than that. You are your thoughts on getting the two Miller. Oh well naturally you know ball and deuces and ongoing debt. That is not good -- And it's he has gotten to -- point. Where it's like you're viewed at age taxes. In -- -- you know you amount penalties and interest. As well as complications. When we talked about in the less difference between and obligations. -- -- and these -- legal obligations. -- the city administration. And so and and in becomes. Easy task is to get the money. Can also -- usual. And my good friends here at Uga recruit as well and you know he would be an all. Quite some time. Dead you know this is committed this kicking canyon down the road. Is critical problems. So. Right now we try and reach out -- the business community. Reach out people like you certainly going to be in this business council. The bureau recently along with the employee groups is so far. Because this situation that we all need to address problem. And it happening all the time we got groups. But it does saints. We need to maintain. A good strong public so he sort he would -- elected entrances. That is. That is you know politics. All right got to take our efforts for a -- come back. We'll talk drug doctor Jose -- tees economics from producers Xavier. And end this is probably our fifth show in the last two weeks. Talking about money problems in this city. That or basic services. And how we fund come objects we're talking to the flinch we're talking -- -- firepower in this town are fire in the ethnically in this half hour. But also dog throws a good teams that economics professor with Xavier University. Before go to via doctor nick the city owes -- seventeen. Point five million. We've taken out two and given it to you what's the larger figure there we're all human windows that come due. Well there's a couple of components to Garland. Totally. The city's. Underfunded uses. In -- and figure of seventy sevens and seventy million dollars. -- And five years. So sure you're going to be 07870. Million. When does that come -- the end of the year. You have been in that nothing's today -- there really did they can be stepped there's this step in this it is that the seventeen. As. Then the actuarial requirement. Well the war is would be somewhere around 35 million. Come pretty putting -- budgets. -- at least. And -- -- each year commitment -- what his speed. But will be talking with down the road in the bush step we started early this all probably in October. All right doctor good to sit here and in the last two -- we can. Rivera the -- view people appear with the horrendous conditions in streets. They're they're they're doing what a lot of do you would say is city board cry and to assess the damages and how would can be repaired where the money might come from hard to assess the cost. We've had a big French Quarter people appear. Talking about possibly. Charging themselves for police protection. -- and now we're talking about. Seven -- 35 million. To the firemen that we all of them written in and Modi for the leaders have we don't have. An economist. How do we get past that you do you sees something in the economy. That that answers these big big big costs. Political or -- -- that. Bit there's there's currently you're currently know them. You know magic here and there -- -- down to. Really reassessing resources Bubba. Of revenue that the city has been and -- to a explored your career opportunities. Or any city especially court and he you know which is the city of Portland. It's sort of regular property tax and a sales -- These cities that you and I'm so -- sales. Suffering Leo ramifications. And increasingly in the actual page from the property into the result of Hurricane Katrina. Where the question is you know relentlessly eastern partners should be -- -- to -- viable story. Property tax revenue for the city. In terms as sales. You know other Mac -- -- tightly and get into the leeward island competitive. Or keep in mind till -- come from. People from outside of the city. Coming into the city's spending money and providing programming -- if we go. You know the conventions and tourism. Two to provide that and you know the leaders -- -- relying on increasing population based on the city so. The other. You know that the solution to read taking into account more bases and he developed a hole and land. To generate more. You know were ripping you providing. Resources for the city. Luckily tourism and you know their manufacturing. Communities and the city tuna avail. Didn't do big medical complex. I think nearing conclusion don't down. Would would that have been open attitude to minimize the disruption of these kind of debts. If it does have its potential. He is. Is it all depends upon in Olympia. How much you know what would what would be what economists call a multiplier effect comes the result of that. That little let you know definitely there's there's a great opportunity. Of transforming. The city into area. You know area and health care and health care metropolis election -- pretty much like the city of Pittsburgh did. When it transformed itself from you know it's the steel capital of the country -- to major. Medical center. Indeed over a billion for the drinking water pipes broken. Fifty billion minimum for the media. Wetland recovery. Think it's over a hundred million years in me and sport of the big wall round as. Street repairs. As an economist when you look at everything we have. And everything we might. UC and it ships in the next 510. Years that we turn this thing around. Well one thing you know one thing that -- Like 11 positive. And in that era. Here you guessed really from the firefighters union brought is that. It's very good that there is discussion among the firefighters and and members of the community. Or how to develop a greater collaboration. And so therefore. You know the idea that you know money shifting. When he you know -- -- -- being shifted trivia. Firefighters that gave them their. You know -- their pension it let perceived that something is being taken away from from from other sources. Labor and capital you know in terms of economics. Perhaps in the terms in in terms of their compliment charity. And you know not a substitute for what and others so you're you're not taking one away the idea is when you're providing revenue for moving. My -- from worn when one -- -- to the other the idea to make that. They respect check here we're providing more more money more productive. And you know and in terms of the firefighters or again providing incentives. Is is the Kia. -- he later Mac you know -- provide for their budgeted that definitely doesn't provide. And it is that it becomes more -- adversarial situation. Double what CO NN money pictures that police's use they Euro. We get a new recruit class coming in is as I can make a difference. Well it worked and are given to request ago and it'll start hopefully for the end of the year. What that meant -- -- -- the protection of the public pros I mean these people want to the streets were among some -- They're there won't be immediate. That start for certain. Is there money shortage. A big bird -- in the please department. Because when little -- to use with. New Orleans -- -- have a morning. -- -- count to a person's communications people. Challenged me on it in and do they have a point. I mean they took the administration feels like the department the Alibaba thing they're calm they're certainly. Police -- there could be replaced -- and equipment can be purchased and I know a lot of these. Him. Things in the -- don't function properly do its work can be -- about some -- some priorities. As far as what public man -- And all of that good at doing. No -- that you could it is but it means that. You know dollars he would he would take an approach. Is best situation. -- sole book. I -- focuses on loan to students. Atlanta. And then. To head seeing all the problems and still. And like in the Atlanta. City Atlanta. Native and should play and they're all under funded by. Close to one point five bill. -- it -- -- OK and today but essential oils of -- in the so called comprehensive. Approach. That brings the business community. And in the end of the day. That you. Yeah Atlanta's City Council. It all you know on the plan. An economist. Good just. And -- long hitters. To -- Those Cold. War. To pretty cool and the approach in that comprehensive. Factual sale page option. That maintains. The ability of these retirements that would. Listen now. Is doing the same things and some bumps along wrote that we got Omega is thought well. We got to take the globe solo and I think we can approach into the will not accept that we two down court and so that we can do to leave it there. Gentlemen complicated issue would probably need about four hours for this -- yet but I appreciated the thirty minute Donovan nick duct Bluetooth so thank you so much for the talk. Are -- double -- brigades celebrity immoral fund the Rea. Welcome back we can. -- and -- city finances and think -- got and big compliment -- pursue a premier. Chief administrative officer of good -- welcome to the show. The good morning thank you for having our morning. Do its soldiers had them so we're going to be able handled. And you mentioned by court -- and number vote people do village and constantly. Having been with people -- hours appears true and what his city's doing differently that we have and don't vote for. But at the same time would only view aren't huge industry originally a yes sir your feelings reached all the but the city. Broken drinking water pipes. Cost of the wetlands and maintenance of the big ball. -- -- -- Do you see revenue combing that can take -- -- -- -- Again I think it's gonna take a little bit of time but but it as you mentioned. A mayor Landrieu has been a champion for economic development now in partnership with -- you know Lincoln. The business community we created the -- business alliance were the first things the mayor did. When he took office in 2010. We got the river walk opened -- cut costs -- open last year sales taxes in New Orleans increased nine point 6%. Nowhere in America our sales taxes increasing at that rate the year before it was about four and a half 5%. And so the city as you've been describing is on a roll were creating jobs -- capitals come downtown. You know we got a lot of entrepreneurial activity. And I think that that there are bright days ahead for the city of new -- I think the challenge that we do face is trying to figure out. How to get ahead of some of our long term infrastructure challenges which you know -- have been deferred for decades this isn't something that just happened. In the last couple years the city of New Orleans has as in your words kick the can down the road for a long long time mayor Landrieu took office. And said enough kicking the can down the road I think it that if you look at our record. It's from the time he took office in May 2010. We start solving problems. Not kicking -- and whether it's you know bring in the city budget into balance it we had to close a hundred million dollar hole the first year. We were on the path. To Detroit. I mean the city who was in the hole when we took office in with a spending habit that was. Five dollars for every four dollars with ticket it was a hundred million dollars more than was coming -- the only thing we can do is cut cut cut and that is what we did. -- -- for budgets in a row we -- for first the spending trend in the city. And and we got stability and were creating jobs so the question now is how do we invest. In infrastructure and others so that we. Can create quality of life we want. Safe streets both in terms of police protection. As well as in terms of quality infrastructure and I think that that the steps we've taken. Whether it's the sort water -- reform in the new rates. Whether it is again bouncing city's budget. Whether it's put ourselves. In a growth posture for jobs and economic development. Those are things that -- were working out. Our big threat. Are these looming judgments which for years and decades in the making. And what the mayor has said is let's solve the problem that would solve it over a time period that matches our ability to -- -- -- -- Let's take an early break. Will conduct fortunes. Governor of your -- review with Bentley College bloopers that premiere TB have been through a hero who we have well now. Look good to have a long discussion. Bob would consider -- in the -- I think we're doing better than I've ever. Seen in this city. But when you look at hundred million year. Fifty billion there one point two billion there -- millions of celebrity moving for the firefighters who won over. Those facilities C a pot of money column and that's gonna take care of that trend our own -- show yesterday. And she said let the world get the point we can't tax people anymore. We're gonna start looking at things like nonprofits. And in the itself or do you see the dollar bills calm things. Or is something not here yet. -- -- -- we'll call and I think it's a little bit of both Saddam certainly. We believe that there are some revenues. That I needed now. That are reasonable to achieve you know -- the mayor was on the show I think he talked about his proposed cigarette taxes proposed hotel motel tax. We do have a constitutional amendment on the ballot. This November that would give the City Council the authority. Asked the voters whether we wanna pay more property tax for police and fire and delegates this state approval. What's -- well we have we we have to get state approval is back. Again who was the only it has to -- Them -- we can vote it it it it is a mother may I state. Com and again in Garland as you know I used to work for the state I tell people all the time now. I used to part of the problem now part of the solution and tried to free up the revenues to the local government. Which. Has to have the consent of the people in New Orleans can help make the choices that you know we've seen people rise up after Katrina and take matters into their own hands. Folks are invested in this city success. And I think the mayor believes that well thought out. Constructive proposals. That work. Will will get the public support and that's what he's seen as mayor I think that there's real optimism. That there are some revenue sources that won't be too painful to get whether it's expanding like whether I think that I think that the fact that we're talking about. What nonprofits who don't pay property tax. Can't contribute. To maintain the streets of street lights the drainage system those are reasonable. Conversations -- do you think that we got to Seymour. Out of the hospitality industry it's a big. Revenue generator but very little of that money goes directly to the city's coffers and we talked about that who were continue to work with hospitality industry. Yet. The long term solution is to remain the fastest growing city in the United States of America which the city of new -- has been for the last three or four years. Job creation population return. If we keep doing that than we've increased the number of folks who are pulling the wagon. And that's can be really good for the city that's what -- have a nine point 6% sales tax growth that's why are property values are going up that's why more people are more jobs are common. It's I think it's a little boat that both with that long term problems. We -- solve -- over the long term and yet there are some urgent needs in our roads in particular. In the size or police force that the mayor believes that in his conversations with voters in the city. They want to take some immediate action on and I think that they're willing to give us some resources. To make that happen but again it has to be a long term plan to an end -- the secret to New Orleans is long term success at dealing with. All of those major issues is to grow the economy grow the population. Grow the tax base without raising the rate. I hope you're right about population being agreeable. I've said this many times. Over the years these civic groups neighborhood civic groups not being paid highly educated come up here. And their complain about some -- Serbs say okay. And moderates say that and would you be blown pay taxes no walk a trust from user in the body you would pros that come back and say. We got room -- grow -- we got rid of the wage. No. So I argued that he get out of that circle well. We've all been taught not to frost. And now is is gonna come and -- -- was. Paying a little bit more a lot more to solve some of these problems well again I think I think we're talking about a little bit not a lot but but we are talking about. The folks in. In the city making the decision not it's not the mayor this he leads a city. It's the states the citizens of this city. Who collectively have to say. This is the kind of government we demand which I think they have made loud and clear that demands since Katrina and I think mayor Landrieu and his administration in the councils that he's worked with. Have delivered we have. Honest effective. Results oriented government -- spending less money. In every year mayor landry's been mayor he spent significantly less money the mayor Nagin spent in 2009. So we're spending less and do -- a whole lot more. I think that's success story and I think people see that I think people feel it. And I think that. In a well thought out proposals. Would generate public support because I think citizens after Katrina realized. You know whether it like it or not we are dependent on the effectiveness of our local government. And they've got to have a government that's -- help and meet their needs that they can get on with raising kids you know earning a living. And have a great quality of life and I think that there's a partnership and and again the mayor. Trust of people but he also expects. That they're gonna hold him. And his administration accountable for results and we're gonna keep continue to keep delivering. On the promise is all just give an example one thing we've increased amount of money FEMA. Has made available for infrastructure in the city by one billion dollars since we took office so five years after Katrina. Had hit we were able to persuade FEMA to give us another billion dollars it's like 600 billion dollars worth the street. Sin and a couple of -- sitting now that's what we're seeing now. It's that's money that came from Washington DC it's you know I guess obviously -- -- taxpayers pay a very small portion of that money. But it's it's where we've leverage all the available resources that we've got so it's he would spend the money Smart. But getting all of it from all the different sources and it again if we continue to grow jobs which the mayor's been -- if we continue to grow the economy. A group population. Then we're gonna have more folks contributing to the success of the city. And in all I would say about to some of the discussion -- earlier in in the in the hour about the fire pension system. That is a long term problem got to solve -- over the long term. -- with regard to the police department yeah we are on a growth pattern in the police department we are hiring we're gonna have a new class started the next you know month to six weeks. We're gonna try to keep a continuous hiring. For the next several years as we grow that police department back up to 141516100. Vote. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- For a live from Rome we took four million Al the recruitment program for new police she knows her. Knew what we did is the police department. Is under spending its budgeted saved four million dollars in the first half of this year that four million dollars is available. To help us meet critical needs the judge in the sheriff's consent decrees got a -- to our head the firefighters. Asked us was. The money sort of more to get to. I think they've they've told -- -- -- on the fireman's Monday. Not to -- and seventeen and have to go again and it's not somebody might go to prison. The let's let's talk about that for a second. There is a judgment. That is demanding the city pay seventeen and a half million dollars. But the city of new Wallace has zero control over that firefighters system it's created by state law. The board was elected under state law rules it's the only pension system I've ever heard of where the only job that the city in the walls are taxpayers have is to pay the the check. If you look at the checks that were having to pay. That that fund lost forty million dollars last year because the board broke down in investment in the Cayman Islands hedge fund that would bankrupt. They wrote down the value of golf course which was mortgaged to make that hedge fund investment. The other board members who were thrown out by their own firefighters because they were spent in money -- materials and Tommy's wine bar. And and that's how the the money in the pension fund was spent -- of the city select before we give more money to that system let's solve the problem. It's I appreciate that mr. -- talked about the Atlanta solution. That was a good when I have specifically brought up the Atlanta situation. A number of times with mr. Feldman I'm ready to negotiate -- Atlanta type solution in -- world. And we've been tried to do that for a number of years but we've got to solve the problem. Before we spend more -- I don't -- true appear often -- -- that time reading where you come back yes -- Come right back dub -- -- terrible we think there's word that always helps to get votes. All. And we've had trouble getting there does subside a bit. Everybody's busy fully understand in the -- and at one of the most important jobs are managing the most news we have in front of fund warding handle all the problems. Well when we hear both sides. Saying. It gives. Some people may be -- didn't have a lot of hope that we wouldn't find them on some home. And it explains things like department and depletion complicated at some of the dimension to. Is cute to me. It's all part. Of we have to get educated on all of this. -- -- -- to from bureau of government over search was on with the Angela thank you through the day before. And she was saying. They've started. Four years. I think cents. A can be wrong in this but that -- since 2008. They've done three different shadows I mean three different studies. That Sarah attacks berries just -- is not setup the right way we've got to involve ourselves in a different tact.