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8-12-14 10:10am Garland: on the Middle East

Aug 12, 2014|

Garland talks about the ISIS militants in the middle east with Peter Juul of American Progress and Chris Preble of the Cato Institute.

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Do anything different today in a courtroom when you secure private property. To a visitor -- short period of time. Zelda a premarket. Using free market or in illegal market New Orleans uses cracking down for -- little. Will -- talk to rappers and attitude so both sides of the the conflict. At twelve noon try to figure out -- school alone. Well as the question can newspapers they can own the -- newspapers or it's unpopular with Wall Street. That a number of major companies are cutting printing news out of their companies and forcing them in the tree. -- the wrong company. And will will take a look at the pictures and does is that -- the newspaper's. Words. Or is this generation and validity or -- a reading news. In the art. Where does news come problem in compute. It's our world a closer -- -- the complicated please. The movies and rock. A lot of new names. -- sole life. Bag Dottie. -- -- bodies. On an order -- And it's getting very competent lol where were turned experts. Veterans that are repeated -- with the policy analysts and American progress we appreciate call welcome back to. And overall idea would use. To. Well what like there are a lot of things happening right now a lot of moving parts what we're seeing right now is the air strikes the United States launched last week. Are pretty much pulpit to -- its spices. That the terrorists -- In towards security capital rubio Kurdish forces have retaken a couple towns outside there. From license and also. Some reports provides some relief to the you're TDs -- that's injured mountain on the border with Syria. The air -- has taken. This is positions around and a significant number two Netscape opera from that situation not now but. And a significant amount. So that certainly has that situation it's been contained by the airstrikes and I think that's. -- know what what the president is intending. These strikes to do it and it's what's happening. We I mean -- complaints like you know it's not going to defeat. And since we're going to -- excellent do you want these strikes are intended to do that so they're very limited objective visitors to the accomplishing objectives. You know -- this house that we of these these the problem with the Iraqi Government which is. A chronic issue. But it's gotten more acute in the last couple of days where. The Iraqis the Iraqi president has appointed. Hi -- by the from the the corporate administered real lucky his party that dal party. The part mr. designate is. A member of that party show. He's from the that the coalition won the most votes in the last election the prime minister -- What happened another term and he is. Making some very threatening noises about you know. That -- what the president has done is unconstitutional and the military has merely to enforce. The constitution that lucky sees it says it's very troubling signs that that mr. Maliki made the willing to try and longitude to keep themselves in power. But we just don't know how it all out and play out yet you know it's it's it's you know expressed support for. That the designated prime minister mr. about these. Where were brought to sort of waiting to see how that plays out now what. Pardon two lucky we'll do body has thirty days from the department probably 29 now. To form a government. And if and when you actually -- that's probably what we'll see -- next. Phase of this political conflict in Baghdad and -- who knows what happened and it's interesting to note that. Part of the recent crisis was able take over large parts in north is that prime minister occupancy. Has seemed more concerned with. Consolidated personal control room with the Iraqi military. So that he can. McCain power rather than building it into professional force that's capable fighting. About threats to the Iraqi stated Iraqi citizens and it's been part of the problem and it's still part of the problem crisis that. Allows licensed to. Basically holding in the park north of Iraq status. And London Savimbi. The main thing. The -- keep being prices from overruling the Kurds or. Killing or capturing all the people. In the mountains or -- or airstrikes. It's not the only thing I think it's a very significant factor idols. Who I think I think that way you have to look at it is it. These airstrikes. Have. Energized in. Reinforce the morale of the Kurdish fighters attacked America they're called. On the ground so that there are no longer taking a beating from crisis in the they have. Support from the air so that's been -- so today it's not the only thing it's a very significant factor in that. I would say it's necessary that understood sufficient factor you have to have these forces on the ground that are willing to hold up hold the line and you know take back territory in the and I think that. Without the airstrikes. -- would be at least the forces would have been demoralized it was -- back further. You know in part -- it's not do justice psychological. Aspect because we've taken out. In artillery. Some the equipment that -- captured from the Iraqi military. It has been you know the actual material impact of taking a lot of these things out and killing prices fighters has been important. It equally important as well that also feeds into the Rauscher and the Kurdish forces. So I think that it's it's a it's a key component it's one. Half of of the of the puzzle -- what's been happening so it's a very important fact and we shouldn't underestimate the impact. Aren't listless figure of -- for it when it come back. -- askew. You do if you upon our air strikes have up tomorrow of the Kurds. If troops kill more of the prices fighters and knocked out. Some of their weapons do we have to keep up the air strikes and if we don't. Does it reverse again draw sizes. Goes on the move friend and -- drew tree -- -- -- stubborn -- Are walking backwards -- -- about the Middle East but primarily. Rock. And we have -- expert to help -- to -- this complicated situation Peter drool. Policy analyst with the American progress. Peter oil well let go back because it just just because -- picture understand. -- our air strikes are accomplishing things like. Improving the row of the Kurds in and encourages and didn't who -- bite wounds again or at least not retreat. And were. Blowing up some of the weapons of crisis and killing some of their people. Is is that something that that we stop it everything keeps going the way it is. Or do we have to keep doing it jumps to maintain. Protection of the Kurds protection. Of -- people in the mountain. Well I think I think separating the two issues -- -- the protection. The people the mountain and resolving that situation. In a positive way rather than a bloodbath. And protecting the Kurds are two different questions I think that if we stop airstrikes on the mountain and that's much more. Dangerous situation. Where will have tragic outcome I think that. It depends on on the -- there's you know the old military saying it's it and the in the capital company. Strategies and tactics -- use. It's made. -- cause them to think twice about it. Attacking the -- again we've drawn the line in the sand and you know it is that he understands that across the deal did. Ball in the air may not have to do much anymore. -- to keep them from doing that if they keep trying then this'll. It's sort of this campaign so Dejuan. As long as they do so its its its really uncertain at this point and the broader question is okay. Now that we've established its firewall we. We have put tourniquet on the situation where we go from here trying to fight these guys trying to roll back there there are controlled territory in Iraq. And and possibly Syria as well and that's that's the big question think. Anybody really has in any good answer to right now and that a lot of people in in Washington policy community here are scratching at the trying to figure out. Right now so. I think you separate the two questions and that their strike issue it's more urgent and more necessary in terms. -- strapped on the mountain range. And perhaps less. When it comes to protecting the -- capital but. Again -- we will only know based on what we -- forward from I think if they keep attacking towards -- bill. Although keeping bond if they don't it will. And -- we look at the production for five between mode he's the president of rock doctor how body. And you mentioned. The possibility. Of who. Does anybody know what the Iraqi troops are doing in Baghdad now or are they responding to a -- whose call. While I mean this is this is more on the issues -- -- molecule that we noticed over the well since you've been in power and he's got 2000 sections. He is gone his way -- Consolidate power under his own personal story to fit through office called the office of commander in chief where he's basically taken. Direct control. Key units like Iraqi special operations forces in place and now under. You -- the military chain of command like we have here workers from the president and secretary difference Q. The general. Lisa in the command in the field he placed them in these are sidestepped that and sort of arrangement and put it under -- no commitments as -- been receiving direct orders from him out from the military chain of command. And that's a very dangerous situation I don't know. They hit it if they in this situation they -- followed her tortured into. You know put a body under. Rod Stewart dissolve the parliament or what not. They have followed. Orders to do similar things against Sunni Arab pop -- politicians and in the past so that there are possibilities there I think it's not being zero percentage possibility it's it's a real chance to that but I don't. You know it's. It is how great -- it is. And I think that this is real problems for. Our intelligence and to try and figure this out as a as the situation develops. It's through to a a -- and I'm -- -- more of the news reports yesterday and that's what it says the US bombing. Of its own bones. Perfectly sums up America reached twelve in theory and brought. Hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weapons that were words were bombing in the -- quote from the journal. Were bombing the guns that we didn't mean to give -- prices because we didn't give guns to their enemies because then ices. -- get the guns. American people hear this kind of thing they hear the confusion Europe's. Actually talking to world in the media for wrong about working together. In different rector and we do for. Is there any chance of Americans. Americans plural support. Whatever needs to be done there to keep this from going to life. You were. Rebel area. I'd you know all the words -- uses strong and too. Put together Islamic state in and they seemed like there will weigh -- we've got dues on -- forestall it. The American people and all the polls don't want troops on the ground don't want and one of war. And that brings these kind of ridiculous things about what happens with the millions we -- jumps into weapons system. Can politics and the military do what they need to do without American. Support. Well that that's certainly seems a direction that president Obama's trying to go into he's been very cautious and supporting different support GP. So called moderate. Rebels and Syria are -- -- a recent ripping up for best this crisis and that's for 500 million dollars. -- are giving it their tank missiles to certain groups I imagine that that effort world. Tried to do it will be wrapped up. In particular crisis we're certainly seeing now. In Iraq flows at -- additional arms to YouTube occurred. -- different fighters. I think that that is the direction given the constraints that you you mentioned that you laid out. That are very real problem the American public that. That's the direction that they're going to go and when it comes to. Dealing with this problem so. I think that that. These constraints their domestic and political nature of the American people. Actors and decades plus of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where as you say in Egypt it's absurd situation -- bombings. Equipment we gave to the Iraqi Government that was captured by crisis. And it you know people just scratch their heads and you know what we're trying to wonder what what is exactly were doing there what we've accomplished. I think that that's a real. Real concern people -- to be concerned about it but it. If -- if we're currently to directly involve ourselves for a very good reasons. -- I think it's a risk that. We have to want to taking. That we can begin. You know humvees are not going to. You backlash against the United States the same way. Are still missiles might but. They would they have provided crisis with an -- over these forces were trying to help in both Syria and Iraq. So it's very complicated question and I don't like people were throwing up there and since. And -- white -- and you know. Not want to do this problem at all but like -- -- it's you know if I intend to be stopped at some point along the way and it's better try to do it now it is. -- different model on the road in the -- be greater. Peter in the Milosevic complicated through words and thank goodness you'd call and to better understand appreciate -- time. Thank you to. Come right back. We got the liberal side of the move leaves there. Go to the Cato Institute coming up from the libertarian side she went there and stay what does DO brigade says but he moral and the -- The -- -- who believes in particular rock continued we go -- New actors by the name mobile all bodies. And then all bogged Dottie in prices in Seoul. Hundreds of groups all of them all on -- To better understand the latest -- Chris trouble with the vice president for Vince foreign policy studies. At the Cato Institute -- welcome back for sure appreciative call. To be here. The questions no wonder about when we give in to details. He is are we going -- looked accomplishment. Is the largest oil ponson in the world. -- currently produces about 4% of the global oil supplies. That looked up to Brent crude oil priorities which is pretty good good for global prices. And it's already hit its -- of global they've seen since September. Of 2013. Born and we joy and by during the news in Saudi Arabia and all the people that at some and lose if fights is some kind of way to go over boots and Ortiz oil. Well different people have different reasons for not getting involved. The short answer Garland is that he you know we've been so. We have been in the world policeman for so long that people become dependent upon them military power. I -- in the case of places like Germany especially or other you know. But I don't laborers like Japan which has virtually no energy production of its own. You know the message after World War II as we don't want you to Alter capacity at least independent the United States and so little defense. For you know different view your interest for. That was the deal we cut with a lot of countries around the world you can argue we did it -- the saudis in the gulf that we have helped. Maintained the saudis in power directly at least that we have protected them they do they do spend that money on torture is still very good one. It's expensive -- and not a very good one. But you know that's that's part of the problem is that because we have so much military power. Others underline on it if we don't use it they're really not use of the art as a lot of people do anything about it. The problem. That's not entirely true of course if there are. Other players they're players in Iraq who are willing at times to use their own power used Gerald force to fight. Two different things that interest into them more important to them and I think that we see happening in particular in Northern Iraq we see the current. Who. It's true haven't been involved in and fight for a long time but who can be counted on to fight pretty hard when there to reassert state -- And tribute. Important city for the Kurds and it's not so surprising that they stood in the hysteria there appear to have slowed down. You know try to be looking for more opportunities like. Where there are people on the ground eager -- -- groups that we that we know and control. Who are willing to defend their own interest to recognize that it matters a lot more of them and it does -- As strange question but what -- try and soft power. By not being. In this. Nothing that I NC. What is the -- of the room. Well. Their energy produced there and -- new consumer and so when the price of energy goes up on local market that bet because it raises production cost for them discuss Herbert Hill. That's the column and since question Russia's our -- China and is our enemy. And -- our enemy. Both of the hog prices go up. All of them get hurt economically. Nobody goes. Well down on tech independent record energy use consumer producer your net energy producer. You consume less that you -- -- -- children's benefit from that China and an energy consumer. So Russia and Iran are little different that case. Again it's a short term thing now because even the Russians and I think. That where an energy prices rise dramatically and are abundant energy markets very volatile. It encourages other encourages consumers to find alternative sources either alternate sources for energy. It like we have done by increasing our domestic production dramatically. Or by going into other. Sources of energy which result which become more economical. As the price of oil natural gas goes up. So I think that that energy conceive and energy producers. Don't like. Threats to. Oilfields in the gas field because. It increases volatility encourages consumers look elsewhere for resources -- Sure right regret and take a break but. New Orleans is probably love capsules with the rose I don't know tendencies from we're sitting here. We got one point three billion -- we need for broken drinking water pipes week it. We need fifty billion for -- and some perspective from dying again the weekend. We need 200 million a year for the wall Munro and the goes on and on and on. -- ago. Oh were worthy that would depend the world -- name on it we just keep bombing and sending troops in doing this in doing that. I think the American people -- getting you avoid. We could tell in a -- can afford. Basic infrastructure -- week in and report. During the world's policeman get a little confusing to regular breaks come and write -- -- Written about the situation. And rock on the review with Chris probable. Vice president Portman foreign policy studies -- -- to institute. Oprah's big will be over read a couple program in order record should. This suit from old -- battery former American mature and rockers -- lewis' -- -- on behalf of the rocky Kurds or how and because. Their military has all Russian made weapons were ices. Which is America's enemy as higher quality American weapons. Kurdish forces are literally outgoing by an ices. That is fighting with hundreds of millions of dollars of US military equipment. -- from the rock he hormle you were abandoned. And this and former general used to be in charge -- one major. Didn't battalion -- -- he said. Were bombing the guns that we didn't mean to give prices because we didn't get -- big guns to their enemies in Syria. Because then -- it is might get the -- We doing there and watch -- Well I think that's a good question our goal in the short term was to protect this desperate group beauties are clinging to the side of the ball they were surrounded by. You know crisis fighters and also we were prepared to help defend the city of their deal when there aren't Americans but also encouraged. Who as you point out are fighting with -- old and outdated weapons. We would've hoped to. Can we -- it's not we the US government do -- situation before that the Bush Administration had hoped. That the Iraqi military would not simply give away their weapons or leave them on the field behind and has been run away. That is how crisis appears to have come in control in possession in the number of American weapons. But again there's a lot -- of the story that simply you know why is it Iraqis are military to stand and fight packets in the whole issue politics -- Iraq where. The government rocket not seen as -- percent in the interest of all peoples certainly not occurred certainly not the -- There -- some considerable extent -- not what he sees so much support. -- -- you know but strangely bizarrely. Four crisis that this incredibly brutal organization. You know for some responses here are some Iraqis don't they don't trust their own government. -- crisis is is that in the alternative. Or do you really gonna help me here. More likely. To hear you. In the tootsie -- and those ages coup in involving all bought it. Wrote those -- -- shoes right correct. I got an area and a there's enough rebel group that food for our own Julio Ortiz and that -- saying no bath party yeah they're Sunnis right right yeah and -- or Sunnis yes. And where he. Or calling the wrong. Who we spent years fighting Iran backed militia. To help laws commune. And give that she use. Ready to play the Sunnis. -- and I knew the game chord here. You did anything card -- -- -- you actually got to get a pretty good chance. You know the -- -- lose the point is that our. Part of our various objectives are at cross purposes you cannot. Isolate Iraq from Syria from Iran from the wider region from. We should also mention that our allies the saudis in particular have been funding Sunni extremist groups in patent it including perhaps. I -- itself that's a possibility that because they feared the Shiites we are in the middle of a civil war it's raging not just in Iraq. But throughout the region between. The Sunnis and -- -- and not only are we in the middle of that civil war but in some instances we are quite literally arming both sides. In the -- overall. Do two weeks these so actually in or act show ruins. Bringing -- under control I mean we spend a little bit of time rock and -- a few dead and wounded and I think or role would Europeans and trillion dollar debt where our trillion dollars in expense. And one. We go back boots on the ground do we just keep bonding. Parts of the mountain to protected group -- what would support portable and try and do. Well I think. That. -- about -- says we're trying to do was to protect these these people who have given food water and some assistance and perhaps allow them to escape from their desperate state. To help for the -- defend themselves. But ultimately that you point out nation building is really hard and I would argue it's nearly impossible. But it's especially hard when you don't have a government that we respected we trust -- more importantly. But the people there trust and respect and that has been a problem in Iraq from the very beginning. The recount triggered internal politics there we've never been able to do that we wanted out he'd go for a long time. But we have been able to -- you know alternative and ultimately it's not. It would have been in our power and alternative we consider it -- light but at the end of the day -- Iraqi People have to decide. I have held out some hope a lot of -- but some hope. That Melky it will it will affect would be counter print right that he will fight to hold on that is it is office after -- -- out effectively. If you did not do that that you have a -- of the new Iraqi Government coming in the power might have. A bit more credibility within a broader segment of the Iraqi public not just not just Shiites to. Who Melky has been you know most attentive to. So. You know hope is not a plan. On the first and that. On an advocate of its intervention in first place. But I don't think it's inevitable. That that's. This particular small scale operation can be will be -- Open -- not least because the American people want that the American people are pretty -- and I've spoken pretty clearly. That they did not want -- -- -- -- at least that's what you don't hear people talking -- -- in the ground and that's why I think ultimately. There should be an enormous amount of pressure on you bonds situation including by the president himself on the mission. To keep it limited and two to -- out on technical. Truths without experts. Little -- Tokyo signature New Orleans can even think about those. So your expertise your tong and his -- -- -- -- agreement. Bill biggest celebrity -- -- 53 yeah.