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8-14 10am Garland, Fracking in Louisiana

Aug 14, 2014|

An environmental group called "The Green Army" and a local church want everybody to know about “Big Oil's Assault on Clean Water and Coastal Security.” It's in response to Governor Jindal's attempt to kill a lawsuit that would sue 97 oil companies for damage done to our coastline. Garland was joined by Lt. General Russell Honre, author of "Leadership In The New Normal" & founder of the Green Army, along with Mike Stagg, Field Operations for the Green Army.

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Usually I don't know -- -- what celebrity news -- doing. But -- wouldn't Williams. Suicide and has attracted my attention. Because have been struck by -- -- -- on the tax can be instruments and Jews I've seen. Saying that what he did worlds selfish. That was bad person per dueling. And we're gonna have a couple of experts on to talk about it. If if if your body. Gets it from diabetes. Or cancer. It's of molecular and chemical change. Not a lot you can do about. Is this the same things that simply bringing chemicals. That are different promotes that leads to this decision. Or is it selfishness and to me. To -- itself pollution is -- is form of ignorance because I don't know what causes depression. And most of you don't either. So we're gonna try to get an advocate. The club where we're gonna do her show on three you -- and -- -- mean you'd you'd really getting in pursuing. I have doctoral and -- about six months ago who had printed. A human kidney. And put it in a patient. And it -- And if you -- and Ted dot com. You -- his talk inducing video expo in of the -- done a kidney printed on the three -- and troubles don't discuss that and more extraneous stuff 11 o'clock nobody knows that. The -- something very important environmental group called green Norman. And local church. Want everybody knew about some the -- big -- assault on clean water and cold food security. And -- don't think I'm ecstatic with me. Field operation operate or for the green -- in my book and show appreciate it thanks -- girl so what do you do what and under the green normally use. Russell already in -- what are you doing what's the purpose in particular with the strip. Well you know what with the green army has been doing over the oval the year that's been -- this really is so working to connect the dots of local environmental fights. Across the state. You know started at. And by you call Warren late. The of the use of over water in some hills locker further -- share in the fight between industry and and the rest of the community over over whose water that is a clean water. Moss bill is so -- It's just its attempt to connect the dots and what does this. Presentation that I would do Tuesday night at the university that -- university unitarian churches. It's a kind of step back and take a look at the bigger picture. There is. Because. Of the in the nature of fracking. There is in an exceptional demand on clean water. And because of the Tuscaloosa marine trend and the seven an estimated seven billion barrels of all there this can be tremendous pressure by the industry to. -- there to drill there to get at that all and is gonna consume just an incredible amount of water to do it. And you're gonna have communities fighting with the industry over water and clean water and you look at the southern hills -- for which really provides war everywhere south of Jackson Mississippi to the north surely part to train from Baton Rouge to Slidell. That's the war they're gonna have to use the -- that's only source of war that is abundant and often close enough to those wells to -- the the war. And we're talking about. So you know that I guess that the this subject it's gotten most attention is -- in in saint Tammany. That's single pad that single location is to have eight to ten wells drilled there. Each one of those wells in the courtroom or anywhere from three to eight million gallons of water -- frak the horizontal. Shoot off of that so you're looking at. Anywhere from thirty to eighty million gallons of war purge really location. And in the haynesville trend in northwest Louisiana they drilled over 2300 wells I was from natural gas. All of much more valuable there's going to be much more drilling activity and much greater pressure on the on the resources as a result of this. What would be -- the Euro loyal people that. Have been Franken for thirty years they had another -- they have not been fracking horizontally in Louisiana for thirty years. The haynesville you go back to 1994. The state passed a severance tax exemption. On horizontal drilling it was done at the time to maybe encourage. Or resolve drilling on land. Visit fracking as the technology. Was developed in the forties right. But it has not been used in horizontal drilling on land until the last twenty years or results more war. Well. You do because that the natural gas and because all those trapped in shale it's it's fractured and it's -- using very high pressure water it takes tremendous amounts of water it's great that pressure. And so it because of the the the amounts of water needed against three to eight million gallons per horizontal leg. -- of awful book drilling pad. -- -- -- not a war era they won't clean water and add chemicals to it and once they use of that war can is not fit for human consumption again. So they're taking water out of the natural recycling process you know if we drink water. You drink water New Orleans using your -- you about the war -- call whatever. That water is processed and put back somewhere in the river it's it it's stays in that natural process of evaporation condensation rain and you know in the North Shore and those placing goes back into the -- for. This water is polluted it's got its radioactive that got poisonous chemicals that it has to be removed that nationals like. So not only or using this -- you're grabbing first use that and your polluting it then you have to take it out of that. The replenishing process which is how those drinking water supplies the offers remain. A usable and accessible to lords -- populations. All right. -- call the troops admitted that seduces this whole subject of major importance. Not just from inside your -- -- economically. Environmentally. 2001. Big celebration. Told -- -- -- 3866890. Each and we have been joy and -- the general agreement or -- -- lieutenant general Brussels all of Britain. General welcome to show good talked to. -- ma and ma -- and or you will agree this is to Panama we'd get an. Well -- wanna hear that word in general. A more to go back to Mike. Mike and we're we're. We're heading. Or are we heading to say Google or companies no product. Well I think that there there are. -- if you look at a map Scott uses of leg of gulf restoration network has a great map that shows every place Louisiana spent a well have been drilled. There's only one area that are well has not been -- last 25 years and that's and that's the saint Tammany parish in southeast important state. And I think that at at some point the question has to be asked is any place safe. Is any place sacred to you have to have access to every drop -- more you have to have access. To every cubic foot of natural gas. And I think at some point the answer is no that. You know you don't know there's -- there's a fight over resources and I think the question becomes a whose war is that. Whose whose air is you know that. There's been a longstanding. Concept in Louisiana law. About the commons those things that we all share a stake in by virtue of the fact we live here the severance tax. The severance tax is that constitutional and legal expression of the comments. That the state. Draws an interest. All on minerals produced an art in Louisiana. -- by the fact that it is just here nobody nobody put that hears it they just occurred here. And so the severance tax is an expression of the common -- that it's a public claim on the resource. And when you stored. -- exempting severance taxes which we've done in the weeks and then you're basically pushing the public's interest aside. And I think with the with the industry has been focused on particular the last twenty years and these -- exemption on horizontal drilling severance taxes. On horizontal drilling. Is pushing the public interest to the side. You know they they instruments claims about how much revenue that they produce. It's not a severance taxes that the myth that the industry is built on Louisiana is that it's -- benevolent and benign. The benevolence came from those years the six the 50s6070s. And eighties. When yes severance taxes to build the roads built -- schools built the hospitals did that stuff. But win the boss came in the eighties. On the all bus came in the eighties the response was well let's try to incentivized that so that we could stimulate activity. Horizontal drilling. That component of of fracking that is essential to elect extracting falling gas windshield of -- -- pools it's just you know as hidden in the rock. That exemption was passed in 1994. Because it was supposed to be an experimental technology. And what we can say as a result as we stand here today that as a result of what happened in the haynesville Trent. Which was the most productive shale gas field in the country. That the experiments over. That that is not an experimental technology affect every. Shale field in the country has been developed using horizontal drilling who has the gold to do it with the exemption. Well I think that -- I think the goal is student to make sure that we have a livable state you know I think that what we see how well. Well look I I think that we we tend to look at every decision do as a discreet act. And -- you don't like right now palace has a single application in saint Tammany parish but they're gonna be thousands of wells drilled. If they if the industry gets his way to be thousands of wells drilled in the Florida parishes in southern Mississippi in the in the Tuscaloosa marine Trent. It's it's like Borland frogs here that is constantly up the temperature or. But -- that in the thing is that this is not gonna be a one time drilling a bit. There's 60000 acres at the point one family has under lease. We controlled that arise there or that they can be convicted drill. So you have to take the bigger picture and it's it's it's like being in a boxing match single jab doesn't knock you out but. Did you get jail for twelve rounds and at the end of the fight your bloody mess -- -- can defend yourself and what's happened is that the cumulative effect. Of hundreds and thousands of discrete decisions has resulted in vast degradation of our environment. We coastal wetlands loss. A pollution of air water and southwest Louisiana there's more air pollution a chemical releasing -- she Paris -- parish in the in the in the state. That includes all along cancer by cancer -- has a reputation -- she has the facts. We have constantly made. Concessions. Compromise that and at what point do these compromises jump up and bite us I think a coastal wetlands laws we've already seen a jump of a modest. The general Richard Katrina AT and our people died that's not what should -- to all gas industry. Alone but it isn't she goes to the fact. The decision that have been made have taken away our own protection. And and we we know that you know it takes. The at lake at lake pin you're there was if there's been a fight going off for three years to stop further Corbin of salt domes a store's cameras. It takes three billion gallons of fresh war. From the opera for the corporate single -- again that's war they can't -- consumed any other way after that it's injected below that. Are you gonna take thirty million gallons per drilling site. Out of an opera for. And then they're gonna be thousands of of -- pads. Through through the Florida parishes in southern Mississippi where will we get the water to drink. It's taken it out of that natural replenishing it like we know that his droughts in Texas -- that a lot of fracking in Texas. You take water out of the natural replenishing process. And then where it would you do how he renewed that. Does droughts in the west California lots of fracking in those places you're taking water out of the natural. Replenishing processed and taken it out of that process means that. There's less there for human consumption whether it's households -- communities or are are the businesses. General rubric -- would would more true golden history of Mike says it's death by a thousand cuts. We need a thousand band aids and how -- how long does that take and how we get there. Well judging from the list legislative session in particular. A few years to make that transformation happened on this event. That while we beat these natural resources. Policy statement on mission for jobs and economy. We have to balance that would responsibility. And responsible action. The reason we got besides available to something close -- your community there in saint tablet there. Is that there's a law to force of people listening to him depressed and we wanted to now there. That the green army purposes the fight pollution. Pollution that has happened and to prevent future pollution. We -- -- people's contaminated. With people from that community request does that come at all. Because they had the right did not you know parish. We had -- had to bite down and all well. Where are all only handle on the inside the metropolitan home want to use in the ban them all well to put. All all pro war which is contaminated. Toxic water that's been years in the production process right and well and other well. It will be -- of 400 years he wanted to put it inside the city home. The City Hall was no it went to the Supreme Court the Supreme Court -- -- can do that why. Because -- state law allowed him to reject toxic water in -- and oh well. Probably came to our realization. That the people those are intent and useful we don't want acting here. Windows conduct the local government based on what the people. Can they know what happened when they come with a good idea that we can put it on abandoned property in the mind war. And partly to state law if they apply to do in the Ninth Ward didn't do it. If the local -- -- local law says no the state could still override view of somebody wanna put. These toxic well all put it right you know insider community. Complicated. Debate forum ignored mentioning called -- -- -- trying to gather information. -- -- presume it is in the green -- me up your Mike's ago field operations with -- green or -- -- All the role of the green army lieutenant general rolled -- on over a fraud of just -- the money. In this blog keep asking. It -- instead of like questions let's let the callers -- now. Stand by let me bring in -- Marie -- -- -- the unit general and would -- Hi how you doing today. Look at the point I wanna make about the poll tracking thing is. There. Are so many accidents that happened I mean look what happened with them the deep water horizon and kind could still continent's problems. And you drop out well and in the middle of presidential -- bed and community. You're gonna sit here and tell me. They'll never have a problem. But. A tracking well and Ohio blew up. On June 28 of this year and even a month or two months ago. And we have a fish kills seven and there have been problems and then. Now all of a sudden they have now people and they have a half a million people without drinking water and it took a week to protect ire out. And so on and so on and so it's happened in. Virginia it has happened in Pennsylvania. It happened in North Dakota. It is happened in Oklahoma it has happened in Ohio it has happened in taxes. And I could go one N one and once it's happened in column. All right -- look and still works and I appreciate it called. A general Mike. I think she boards is a lot of the concerns of a lot of people. But if a British brings that I totally agree there should be -- fracking loose and fingers moved beautiful on the move we've -- But it shouldn't other parishes and of detail and should be able to say not in my backyard also absolutely absolutely and what happens there. Well -- I think we're where you know we -- -- we -- in a transitional period and energy that -- ahead of this company. Says that we earn a 25 year transition. Away from fossil fuels and his companies actually. Coming out within the Dean -- the guy who invented the two real. Poster of a coaster thing that police there are regularly -- an idea well he's got -- -- this this device that will. Supplements -- power in your home runs and after gas Bill -- missile full crawling and also that you will be off the grid basically. We're -- transition of energy. And it I think that -- clinging to the past is in the natural instinct of of that of some stakeholders but we're in the process of change which we have. 255 solar days in south Louisiana every year -- you can you can draw. Power office -- the state has generous is that the federal government have a generous tax incentive program that can allow people to get in the solar panels. So that. You know we do we have to think differently when there's this element of self preservation here. And I think that what the with a fracking debate has done a saint Tammany in particular has made people aware of the cost of their lifestyle. And there are other ways to do it that there's other ways to have that lifestyle without having to be you know. Just run in the you blow blow through it you know I -- seven about a month power bill. But 'cause you you you what are your home -- what you can do this and all the ways with with other forms of energy. General. And should should all the parishes do the same and say would award for acting -- -- drilling. Yeah I think -- this -- and obviously. Until we have a solution to the football you of this industry continued to fly equity Kia. Hello we're pollution by an individual communities ought to the right the civil right. The same old not now aren't sure not our community there a lot of places that it could be done and it's being done. But the idea that we put at risk. -- very highly populated parish in this -- Louisiana. Played Cameron parish is not like no optical. That that is Parcells. A partially. Populated out complaints. This is heavily populated and it's on the -- actual -- -- trying. Point about nation's most heavily about it which itself. Was almost polluted because businessman city. We did we could ultimately. What sort of people stood up. If -- been losing attitudes stable. Government and legislature. Won't so yeah they're independent industry asphalt. He almost killed loudly. It would not for the people stood up to the people's right Tammany. -- on display here because has been known about them just so happened BP and it can happen -- a candidate. We -- to have a right to say no but I agree with the call this industry is on accident and in the open. Industry and women make a mistake and it put that pollute water waters dirt ball on you. Remember that. Lieutenant general strong -- remarks. Go all of them with -- -- -- let's move to move. I mean. It's the mean rich in the -- richer -- drug. All right what I don't understand it they turn from vertical. Thousands of feet down and go or model who. One part for the water and one for the return of the -- or natural gas burner of move. Ranch North Dakota were there family made some 300000. Dollars a month from the wreckage. Well the people and do. It well it's couple over the it's a couple wells first vigil vertical well. And to a certain depth probably with a talk about the North Shore somewhere at 10121000 feet down. Then they. There they go with flexible. Drill to being and drilled directionally. And ironically in Louisiana. That. A direction of the flexible tubing all that has been declared worthless -- so parishes there was an assessor who recently said the parish is being ripped off. Because of this. That fraud that equipment was declared worthless for the missing out our property taxes. But stated so -- a flexible tubing what they go back down through the main drill on the pad. And then branch out and usually do somewhere between eight in ten. Do horizontal drills. Out from that central. Drilling point. That vertical well is very is very. Brittle it's very it's it's it's it's still fits directly vertical it's humidity and that's supposed to protect the -- for it fails frequently. But the other because you're you're gonna drilled ten wells off at 810 wells off through that single. Vertical drill and they -- you know you can penetrate down below that and then fan out directional using. The contact all they view offshore for a long time in terms of being able to direct the drill out. Often at an angle and then but the flexible tubing is. Is used to follow the drill out there and -- that they they blow it up how often that and that's and that's what tracking it they they penetrate the the the layer and then they pressure they say in millions of gallons of high pressure water in there. Two law. To pull the that that the resources out. General -- not just war. The movie the computers that war a lot of chemical. That enhance the practice process. Many companies indeed the formula. Is so toxic they keep the secret. And -- but now loans they double what it was oh on a proposed law that would allow companies. Not to have to release. What they're putting him up production awarded using the right. Because it was a law trade secret. Well we hole ripped out in the green army is that you don't want to help people out toxic. That fluid they're putting down here to do frankly use. Because when it comes back -- if it again toxic. They're not wanna have to be dispose of some other place and the reason and I hope that way you won't report but I hope that. -- could be -- two gentlemen who asked the wrong. Under general. Those talk and Mike good for a -- -- firm -- A -- always doing fracking have been to and from quarter while in the same 44. As. Huge burns -- a number of talent or eventual and I were outside about the roads are already has. A number fracking will -- it should we tell those -- shoes they can't do it because I mean. If the business brings in the -- lived there -- feel the same way if they don't wanna do it. Well parish is doing it in there drinking water. In that case I mean -- supported there was an attempt objectives and not yet. Because it's highly populated area. Saint Tammany demographic Koreans. Population wise. There's a lot different potential -- that he's been heavily used temple near there law you know rule area. And model that we don't stop right in the music. But people have a right to be ready to do it based on majority of people and community. And not based on Apollo big all of us if we don't -- -- city state -- that we can do it we don't do. This is really a federal issues this is the sole source of drinking water against southern hills locker for for Jackson Mississippi -- surely -- straight from -- Russa Slidell. Is the sole source American war. For all the people who live there -- were talking about is. Again the name of the drilling activity talk about tangible is very -- -- the Paris same thing with -- -- fatally you know. That the that the rich that the sweet spot of Tuscaloosa marine transpose these sort of along the state line mostly in southern Mississippi in that area. Their needs to be. And environmental impact study on what the human impact of thousands of whales being drilled in this sole source -- for will be the other the other issue is that -- gonna have to dispose of this contaminated water afterwards every bit of it is contaminated. You're talking about. Millions to talk about over -- thousands of well to -- billions of gallons of water. There are rules against allowing injection wells in Seoul for -- -- while they are they gonna truck. Billions of gallons a war out of the Florida parishes to some other place who's gonna let it come in there. You know you go back to grand -- minorities we were allowing hazardous waste from Alabama be trucked in the year because they would allow to be disposed of over there. Or is some community going to be asked to take. Billions of gallons of -- war and be dispose of injection wells there. It's the the in injection wells for the source of earthquakes in Oklahoma believed to be the source of earthquakes in Oklahoma -- a lot of places. Is the injection wells of a problem. In terms is causing these quakes. So you know I think that there are a whole lot of questions that need to be answered and what in what we're seeing instead is gonna go permit by permanent well by well into the next thing you know we're gonna have thousands of wells -- -- -- -- the congressional delegates from that minute. I haven't talked to mode but it's it you know it's itself that has take place region wide and I think -- -- we get back this whole problem about who's who who do they represent you know we we see the campaign finance reports you know who gives them the money. General arguably the last -- -- -- -- Lugo legislature. All spent most of it to our board of parole and -- companies -- not prepared in the people. The state losing battle wolves. Allow those wells would be built anywhere and he can -- a couple things done well check mark from or eight years checked more would be cute. And it didn't look. The -- don't have regulation to control all these whales we have 6000 abandoned well. That we still trying to figure out whose articles -- -- -- bill is about to detective the cleanup that's the problem we got displayed on did not supervise. These companies look what did you -- you point allowed that company. To do that mistake can now lose the whole community we don't have the law in Louisiana to prevent these big help prevent these stories from. Do you do have one final question very quickly. Do you fear any chance that the lawsuit against and -- seven companies will be allowed to go through. Good thing about it democracy in the mid level. This governor oh lead somebody legislate it -- that appeal this can always be revisited. No one I've pre Q what you're doing pretty -- you Gibbons had gone to very good talk a new general. Everybody have a good day and -- would come and are -- Norman is going to be. At the unitarian universal church. 5212 self -- and -- our -- and Tuesday evening August 19 at seven and the him. And it's Tuesday evening August 19 7 PM first unitarian universalist. Church 5212 -- -- and at. --