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8-25-14 11am, Garland, Google

Aug 25, 2014|

Google is rapidly progressing in developing a car that can drive itself. But moving faster than Google is another technology that allows cars to talk to each other in order to avoid accidents. Would you trust such a system?

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We have done an amendment shows Little League year what actions to proceed yours and her. They've been around that long on global draw several loose cars review and one -- June moon involved in the inception thank those. The war and it's on one column on Ted dot com. Actually got ahold of amendment and he came -- and he predicted that we'd be seeing. The first or -- driver -- cars by now. And I've always been chebaa visited didn't move a little bit faster I think Putin. Tickets Nevada. New Mexico California. Their pass laws that parallels. A certain amount of tribal those cars. I think as experiments to be licensed and driven in the states. And so far I've underwater breathing on and read about. Anybody getting hurt in the accident to a new Google was doing that in southern and -- California for. Years and years but now. And there's something different occurring and that certainly didn't see -- coming. Lot of them out of -- and over Michigan and a New York Times article really piqued my interest. -- counselor with studio reporter the author of this report. And we're lucky enough -- would -- today Aaron thank you so much I appreciate the time. It I would -- New York Times reported to have a little bit busy. -- like take you through your reported marched on live at or whatever time we had a in the very beginning you Rhode. -- day in the researchers. Envision Buick vehicles. That were in constant communications with each other. Talked to me. That's correct that and yes it is essentially to have powers. Obsolete communicating back and forth over over wireless really. -- there are always aware of what course around the merger plan. And if you think about it for the most part from the technology we have today -- based -- cameras it's based on blazers. It's based on things that your court concede. That your I would consider it. The idea goes to go beyond that so someone's about to blow through red light you can't see that. But party communicated to your party get the work because avoided Paxton. And one thing that surprised me because in your. Report you talked about radars and losers of course records would seem that can -- -- sells. Other cars it can monitor blind spot he and let you know when. Bureau. Go -- me and and wounded. 2018. The review cameras received so many cars they would probably would be required. And these. Two vehicle transmitters all gonna have about 350 bucks but to 120 to a car's price. That's correct that's what the department estimates and a part of that is that the prices themselves look good in the come down closer you get to that mandate. Which is what happened what the review cameras. If the cameras used to be very expensive and now that -- but it goes to a dealership today. Maybe 200 books is that it would cost of getting one of the school. And when you say that technology to developing in the in the armor. -- or birth focuses on -- words how should we you've been an electronic I can't spot. What does that bring to our. Well we'll be that is still beyond what your -- concede so if you think -- a lot of the technology today and you mentioned. The park and park itself what part can keep track of the car in front of -- but it's all about something that. The sensors in the car can actually -- can visualize. But if if you're in traffic numbers. Someone say three or four cars in front of -- you can't see that suddenly slammed on the brakes but now there's nothing that can be done about that. But it all those -- are communicating with each other he would still be able to get -- and -- in of that court about the panic breaks -- -- do something because. The Big Talker behind about the slam on the brakes to what you'll realize that. The roads. Themselves. Talking to the cars is that really a possibility. Have. In the -- technology playing in the and Norbert. Are they doing this. They aren't they are doing it and it is certainly the possibility that -- that -- essentially. Think like street lights talk into your caller telling you win a rebel it's gonna turn green in agreement could turn red. Where they've got sensors embedded pavement there that can tell you. Went places formed on the road certificate blackness of night you can conceive that this little fortunate there. All those things are definitely possible the only. The only thing that's keeping that from happening would really be the of the willingness of governments to spend the money to invest in those systems the development possible. Puerto Rico really really introducing articles Aaron Carroll from New York's Holland and it was saw August when you. May have -- was new era in CP. When cars. Talk to one another. And you can -- -- -- roads that talk to the car and you can throw in street lights that talked core and goes on and on long. And one part of his story says Transportation. Department announced this week. A plan to require this kind of technology. And it's going to be great. And the next great -- -- saving lives. Which will eventually lead to driver loose carts. But ended. Me I'm Mort here reported out that it out attend every -- -- it out of every two and traffic accidents. Involving on impaired drivers could be proven. The national worried. Administration. Says 600000. Pure Russians. Could be the norm. And a thousand lives saved annual general election up forever and -- of this. Aaron what do insurance companies seem -- take a look at that. Does closer to the insurance companies are very keen on following those develops. Although when you think about it at the end of the day and most insurance companies make their money not by paying claims step by accepting. The premiums so a lot of interest coming at this point they're quite interest in the idea this could lead to fewer accidents because that's fewer public claimed it would depend. Wouldn't be through the cost after -- -- of insurance. They should if you look at what's happened with. Democracy in some of these devices them the -- insurance companies offer. Domestic device in your call or at a moderate voter drive it and because of that that the lower your rates. So the idea would be in this case if you have this vehicle to vehicle technology in reducing the number of accidents. Other hopefully that would lead to much slower. Insurance -- every year for consumers as well. In the and a -- at least. Lauro what are revenues the stock. Stockholders are getting. That's correct but at the same time the amount of claim that they would -- would be so much less to think about. Production pivotal for the insurance W at this point hope it will work out of favor. Let. Me ask -- this. You mentioned the year. -- me. Ann Arbor modeled deployment deployments are old and seven MO root word throughout the city. Have you been there -- have you ridden in any of the cards through this kind of technology. One up there and take a look myself when we drove around some of the folks on the program and it's it's quite incredible. Don't tell who's jealous about that web what sticks out in your mind. -- -- it would eventually dug out there -- is equipped about 3000 vehicles. These are volunteers in the community immediately to drive around with these devices in them to see if they really work. In -- test them out so when you drive around the U ball you don't do history you have. A little bit of what we talked about already just in the world so you drive down the street to traffic light that tells you how much longer that red -- going to be before turns green. And the we have another car that decides to try to cut you off -- a warning about that. Yet another car that slammed the brakes and awarded about about that. So it's kind of -- little laboratory in an incubator -- all the tests penalties. Technologies to see if they really work can and really fine tune them before they would go up to the public. And according restoring. Could soon be about 9000. People -- to spread. That's what they wanna do of the original program was only supposed to last three year but it was so successful about it. Broadened it to three years and beyond that they're gonna don't even broader. Possibly the large losses. Southeast Michigan's first about 9000 and that'll totally up to about 25 when people. And what's this about pedestrians. Carrying tiny true and smokers. Well that's that's something that the historical look at it it's great to have -- communicating with each other but stalled a lot of accidents every year the United States that are just. People getting hit by caller. Or something like a Blake will be the by -- -- until the ideas all the all the communications going to be going on one not allow. But on normal person walking the street to the apple device that talked about having something maybe they'll put yourself phone. That would in Iraq with the caller so that if you're crossing the street. The course coming up on news that court would get alert. Sort of make this is the way to make pedestrians in the -- -- bicycle riders it's kind of people to make them visible and part of the network that we're talking about. So so even budge -- rider might know. If he is in imminent dangers not just communications with decorum and spending -- -- That's correct but so that it would be some sort of two way communication where. Both the bicycle rather whether the pedestrian walking the street would get you know whether it's a -- oracle vibration or whatever they decide to make -- What happened alert that there are about to be in danger -- and the things on the car that adoptive potentially hit that would also be alert so hopefully that time to avoid that from happening -- And you say there's a consortium. Of eight auto makers. Is is their concern over the colts Etsy where you think. 350 bucks the price good scoring average by 20/20. But org -- the auto companies concerned about overall call maintenance that can. At this point there's not that much resistance to -- most of the automaker's major automakers are behind me that it. But they've done a lot of recent trauma around this area and it certainly is. Basically a mandate as a little level the playing field across -- -- so right now a lot of the technologies that involves cameras and lasers. Well that and more luxury cars have a little bit trickling down to more mainstream vehicles. But a lot of auto makers feel that this was mandated normal course that would help. Well Plainfield on costs that they that they produced. And that also. About a way to commit these things so ubiquitous -- essentially. Every consumer without -- to think about it. But say -- Honda as as as these things installed but it Toyota doesn't and they can't talk to each other. You're really a problem sort of look at the one most of the auto makers are more excited about the possibilities and they don't worry about the -- Also relatively minimal by comparison of some of the things we've sent. But I'm sure as we go along the going to be keeping a close -- on what this is really going to be for the bottom. It's interesting utterly open in the of the states are having this problem. We're it would just have a special legislative committee appointed. To figure out to a two of how to paper or road and one of the problems a broad political. Lot of people driving hybrid a lot of people driving diesel. So people were. Warren using a whole lot less fuel. Which means they're paying pure gasoline taxes. And more important to our senior story if all of these entities were implemented. Oh we're gonna be eased congestion. And increased fuel efficiency. Would would that become a problem that morning -- mark -- on the other side where do we get the money it may turn in the road. It's that they think is certainly touched for the very interesting -- to pocket but it won't let them. That one way -- the idea behind system like this is to make it so people can trouble much more efficiently and much more safely. Well they do that and you look at the bulk of the revenue for most rural projects come out of gas taxes. And so I think that's something that policy makers -- and I have to figure out as part of that more and more efficient. What do they do to pay for the infrastructure. That's something that that the debate that's still going on all over the country at this point. You mentioned the show little boxes and you can volunteer with -- your insurance company. To put in your card sure matures safer driver therefore reduce euros. Cause abuse troops. But you know -- boat though we we have the Big Brother. Complex in this country of all over privacy security. Do you do. Auto companies that technologists. Or they are concerned about that saw them. They are and then one of the reasons that some consumers are nervous about the current insurance company boxes that they -- is that. They do really tracked everything that it is so they would look at. How fast you go kind of breaking competitive. All the -- That makes a lot of people nervous both. What this technology for the vehicle to vehicle communication devices would involve. Is really a -- tractor every movement. It's a little bit more like a two way radios to the range is about 300 George Rousseau. So it's kind of pretty this circle around issue that awareness and among other car isn't and other infrastructures within that range. It's communicating with them at this point there are no plans to you to record your every move. Or collect personal information about -- these devices but it certainly something that people are typical -- well. Nothing goes scientific about a bit every day where double poll whom the subject were thinking about it and we're bouncing audience. Google now as technology low scores talked huge win which Google news there on -- manufacturers. Allow cars talk to each other to avoid accidents would you trust such -- system. 67%. Say no and and you bring up a very interesting concern in your report. Give these things get implemented and people initially start accepting them. What you have a whole bunch faults -- -- and equipment out working. The birds started could be the end of that. Absolutely and that's one of the reasons that sort of this pilot program out there in Michigan is to try to. To try to work all the -- out of this but before that put it out to -- wider audience because you're right if people start getting false alarms if they if they see these systems -- annoyances -- real safety devices. It's eternal law for little pay attention to them. And then you're sort of defeated the purpose so you really have to make sure that proportional warned you about it and an accident. That is definitely going to happen but you can't trust -- -- really have to be bulletproof. And right now these systems are -- ready for prime time that it opens in the next few years old at that point. Aaron and -- -- there -- more fascinating regional long time if you think you're working on alcohol or things people couldn't Google in the did you recommend. Social well though or is try to look at new new technology is -- way into vehicles. I've received vehicle to vehicle communications one also taken a look at just now. A -- is becoming a little bit more like a rolling Smartphone. Apps in the car entertainment in the car and what the boundaries are going to be of that southern -- just based options in the coming months and years. How technology in vehicles are gonna come together and interest in what -- I can't believe it's over thirty minutes of your time boom we're like call -- back at a later date we do love about. Technology shows love to -- to again thank you for the -- Couple of my pleasure -- We always try to get the top technology people which have once again. With Debbie Brazilian with the system program manager for the University of Michigan transportation. Research institute W. Thank you for calling and I know you're busy we appreciate your time. I'll thank you for having me. -- board board of the personal lines in the report that public work that Barbara said. Good the people in Michigan and the technology experts in the condominiums there. Invasion the other groups that are in constant communications with the one the and other. And their -- -- that. Timeline is somewhere around 20/20. What are your talks number one will look at curtain. Number two will that -- In that short time. I'm I'm gonna have to go with -- I'm involved and earth to volley again I think it's gonna happen. He was guilty recently announced. If you think Colin -- Rule making us. Notification. Until they're starting a rule making process. That they will -- this. Catholic community. In some future model year and I do believe that the activity isn't he behind the scenes. With tier -- in -- and that it is stepping out of the question that evidence vehicles by 21. I gotta tell -- when diapers. Wrote about everything that we're going to -- monitoring blind spot scores of -- -- so read or lay users. A sibling of the technology may be a very broad view of do you gonna have to Ford Rolls Royce and get well and but. Objectives up from the actual highway traffic safety administration that estimates. The additional cost to the average vehicle will be 350. Dollars. -- do you agree that. How well you know I had a vehicle manufacturer time not real clear of what they will charge. But if you think about the technology. Is basically a radio could transmit on a specific frequency instead of transmitting and the AM or after more than satellite being handed transmitting. The dedicated short range communications band. And so it is a radio and if you look at our radar sensor which is terrible thousands of dollars and a radio which is a couple hundred dollars. They need they're looking more to the 350 dollar range definitely not out of question. Her interest in an -- -- broad breed where the roads themselves. In -- Barbara being set up to talk to the cars. Yet there we had 25 installation. And those installations also hands are dedicated to. The DA authority to dedicated short range communications radio I'm adult sites and they. Transmit specific messages to the vehicle. And the entire installations. We were mostly dedicated to collecting data so they also collect data from the vehicle that they can't -- Well. -- and one of the things that -- last half hour. I don't go forward you need to let our her roads century drew really bad shape to a point. A couple of days ago. Legislature and now launched a special panel. Good to figure out how we can -- you would literally I think over a billion dollars -- to repairs we need that we don't. And we've done a lot of shows. How in this economy of the federal government is pushing more more responsibility down to the states. Because the pledged can afford what they used to be -- forward in the states. Constricted by constitutional regulations. Pushing the cause stone to the city. When we talk about sensors in the role that. Or sophisticated. Enough to talk to cars and traffic light that might do deciding. Can we afford that is that going to be expensive -- at all I'd open the cause of the call. I know it is an additional expense and I don't think it. Any when he has the answer to that but yet it's the people that are going to be deploying it for -- to cities and municipalities. Are probably -- -- expand. But you have to look at the benefits for -- while until they were having applications that will save them money in the long run and that society as a whole. You know this is the traffic fatalities. And crashes. The freeways and highways on the roadways. And that can be in the billions of dollars so if you look at it from from that aspect. It doesn't just save -- but it really does save money. For the benefit of society. At large. -- and big money. We're finger about a new era in safety when callers talked to one another in Michigan. Seems to be ahead of the pack in figure in the actual well. Actually that will come back told Tora expert. This is but mobile brigade celebrity and a moral three of them. Admit I've always been fascinated about technology you gruden and human human choose Euro and gold I've -- -- war. And I truly expected to see it before in the kind of others Branson acknowledged but now. A Google electric -- a backseat to a new parents say where cars or being programmed to talk to when one other. To talk to us to talk to traffic lights to talk to roads. And one of the entities that is leading -- -- University of Michigan. Transportation. Search institute. And we -- program managers when there's Debbie -- in a Adobe again thank you proved time and that Lou Henson. What I've -- bring it about. Lasers. Radar -- apart and so it's. Horrors that that can tell world there's some lines on till junior during notably in. All of these things. The first thing that popped into months and quibble and is it could trillion insurance law abuse that the Michigan legislature. Saying it. If we -- pure accident. Or collisions were people -- old -- injured. We're gonna have to reduce the raid because people won't need and sure it's nearly as much as they do now. And that means our shareholders. Are gonna make bullets Monday which means they're configured the -- so little plates. Is is that a potential problem. I could not ruled it out but I I can't say that the insurance companies are taking. A very large interest in particular pilot model deployment here in Ann Arbor. They're also taking an interest in. The next step of safety pilot which is. And they're gathering the facts as they say but they're also. Contributing. For -- -- of Michigan mobility center in particular era contributing financially. To the development. I think that -- McCourt and funneled -- group concerned about that. Talked about it'd it would have really good pedestrians. Some were given tying you principle parts. We haven't done that yet but it is planned for. The killer one project of the Michigan mobility transformations center. -- so that project starts with safety pilot which is the current deployment in Ann Arbor and we XP and the deployment -- we expanded both. In the infrastructure footprint and then also in the number of devices that are deployed and naturally they're bringing on the pedestrians. Give me an idea what that would look like would be eighteen tiny would be decides about. Cell phone would be expensive for use it again. -- The device itself he can do one of two things one you can integrated into a cell -- or -- the cradle. That your cell phone and inserted into. And the other one is if he's strictly a -- just the pedestrian to where it would be. More along the lines -- kind of a large -- That they could just throw their backpack. -- -- in one of two ways. One advantage of the cradle. Is that you can also use it to equip your vehicle per -- competing have a vehicle device we have a cradle that you could -- here. -- phony and then suddenly your vehicle is equipped as well. Well then and I would think. Bicycle riders that would literally be a light sooner. Or. Well here I'm -- -- one final question. When you look at all of this technology here every time we've impact we've got to a little low poll right now on the patrol and scientific poll. Better ask people. There's technology column and where this can be drive -- -- sooners technology government course talked to each other to avoid accidents. Do drugs such as system and right now. It's 5050. When do you think we might be seeing. Routine. In productions of this to the American -- Interpret talking about this vehicle to vehicle communications that and be in a few years. And I think is more and more of them get on the road. And hand speed -- deployment get larger and larger and more people he would they're gonna -- a larger acceptance. I'm pretty picky pilot there was include -- -- -- you know commercial acceptance of the -- technology. So I think just one pick it out into the general public that they'll be a good acceptance as well. We'll have you moved down here in -- -- dual use technology we'll give you Gumbel and -- Animal. Everything's film absences. House and they an or your -- via appreciated. This is governor bill bigger celebrity -- 53. -- incumbent and actual talk about the mirror. Thinking about letting citizens. Believes the current quarter helping the bleached. We'll get detail when we come back -- -- -- -- exhibiting area moribund the --

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