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8-27-14 2:10pm Angela: on the NOPD

Aug 27, 2014|

Angela talks with New Orleans inspector general Ed Quatraveaux and Metropolitan Crime Commission president Rafael Goyeneche about how to better the police force.

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Well the office of the New Orleans inspector general says the NL PV has missed classified in an inordinate number of robbery offenses. The NL PV disagrees. Well joining us for the next thirty minutes is an author of -- the New Orleans inspector general always appreciated you coming up here. And this is a very very interesting. Report. Three years for the -- 2010 to twenty. To 2013 cover that time there's the same as the week it is. Reporting rapes and we saw some of the testing types of errors. You have to understand we're trying to get it changed but the computer. Dispatch system. Does not allow you to draw. Buys these senior category can't say. Let me say all the calls and Tony twelve on robbery. He can't do. You can't do it on rape either what we did with rape. Wounds. Say okay give us all the calls that were assigned to the rape squad. So we had a pretty good surrogate. In this case we didn't as a new robbery squad that you know absolutely handles these so what we did instead. There's a form called to two point six and it's used to document. The rationale for changing the classification. Of a -- call. After 24 hours. If this. -- to 26. We were able to we went through all the to tarnish fixes for this period and there are quite a few of them. And we pulled out all the ones relating to proper. There were only thirty. So we didn't sample -- that this this is just on changes this -- a surrogate for the bigger picture that we couldn't get to. What we found with those thirty cases. Is that thirteen of them miss classified to miscellaneous and -- they were robberies. But they were labeled. Miscellaneous. Sixteen of the thirty were actually unfounded but they also were classified as miscellaneous. Now this that this form is supposed to have an Internet reporter supplemental report that explains the reason for the change. We found that eight of the thirty forms were missing the record reports. There was there was no support for what what was done. 26 of the thirty forms cited evidence but four of the -- six. Cited evidence that was not submitted to central property and evidence section or maintain an LP today. No words in four of these cases the evidence cited. Not available. It and that's an in this similar things but but that's the essence of it. And this is that this as a surrogate so while it it's true that we can't generalize to the entire population of robberies. In this period. The data is very suggestive and where that suggest that we -- fine. Twenty and thirty wrong. This indicates we have a problem just to clarify again because this is a very extensive report. You are saying that this thirty. Were the ones that were going to be changed correct. Out of how many ago. This this is the thousands note this is of robberies this is a 100% thirty these are all the changes a three year period a three year period Pedro armories. After -- for arts. Okay. Why would normally something be changed to miscellaneous. While. But we don't encourage that frankly we don't think -- some miscellaneous is is good because. It can -- so much and the important thing here. Is four and a NO PD leadership. To have knowledge of all these cases you know if this comes that process and the sit around work on tactics and analyze the situation. That's great but if you data is -- your analysis is that. So this is very important for us to get the data. You know we talk about they uniform crime report this is about the FBI the for a voluntary thing that police departments -- So that the FBI has a general idea of what the crime situation is across country in any given. So from that though. You're saying. And a PD miss class by 37%. Of its offenses. Tested to a thirty -- at Bristol just talking thirty -- thirty cases. That they miss classified MPD missed class by 40% difference is testament instead of assigning game disposition. A fund founded current okay. Again we're still just talking -- thirty cases. I think the reason I'm saying that is -- I guess all of us think the numbers are huge -- the number of robberies in the number sadly. But in the thousands so when you take thirty cases it seems very small -- that this is wrong -- right. I mean we -- that needs to be corrected. But in the big scheme. Well when when you find totaling nine mistakes out of thirty even if you're sample was very small your results are overwhelming. So I again I cannot statistically. Is say that that condition exists exactly that way. It in the whole universe of robberies. But I can tell you it's suggested needs that we have problems. With reporting UCR. Crimes. We're gonna we're gonna talk a little bit and in a few minutes about they and a PD is is. Defending itself -- just didn't want to miss -- do wanna talk about that but I think the bottom line is that the do you think that this is an overt act. You don't we have seen no evidence of any intent to manipulate. This I think what we're seeing as the product of frankly neglect. And sloppiness over a long period of time. Would you say that it it falls on the shoulders of the superintendent who just stepped down. Well every chief is responsible for a tour of duty for what happens in the department. However this problem's been around for very long time. At least fifteen years and we're going back even further on some of the studies. So you know that's the way it's been. Plus. NO PD chief has. Tough tough to. In addition I mean you know we had a bad depart department everybody agreed on. So his job was to turn around while too big ship and four years this is just barely enough to even think about doing that. But the corporate turnaround world. Those people have the way they turn things around his spend money and fire people in reorganize. And the superintendent. You know civil service. Labor organizations. It is not a whole lot of personal flexibility in the city had no money at the time. Explains a lot pitchers and long term problem needs to be addressed yes -- yes. We're gonna take a quick break we're gonna come back with -- -- vote. And we're gonna talk about some of the response of the you know PG stay with this financial on WW well. Our guest is Ed -- Vogel is the New Orleans inspector general talking about his latest report which is on. -- study is three years study they did Nora and -- it's a better word. Of robbery cases finding. Thirty cases that in essence were missed. Misidentified. 29 of the thirty. That's right -- nine of the thirty him perform two to. Form two to six with them okay. And just took very highlight just percent and for somebody -- just tuning in the essence of what you're saying of those thirty reports 29 of them. -- nine of them were -- classified. Thirteen of them I don't know where real robberies that order this classified as miscellaneous. In sixteen of them or unfounded. However that should have been reported but instead they were classified as miscellaneous. You get an opportunity to see the people that you are talking about this casing and a PD. To respond correct and in this case they really divorce and an -- gonna read just one thing. First and foremost from the and a PD letter from chief surpassed -- Many of the incidents to report mistakenly claims -- classified. Were in fact accurately reported to the wheezing in a commission on law enforcement. What does that mean. Well when we got the letter recent well okay identify which ones and show us and they did. In hand so there were some adjustments to the numbers. Sixteen may have become twelve you know the chart the changes were marginal as a consequence of the information -- provide. Did not change the bottom line. I think what because I did not know with the Louisiana commission on law enforcement is and you explain that is. And that the tallying of all of the crimes in the state. In the Mason did on to the FB yeah that's correct when I read that sentence said to me -- it was fine when it. We left here. But maybe the Louisiana commercial law enforcement -- Now it it that's a bit disingenuous because. We had a conference call with the commission on law enforcement when we were doing great for pours a three way call with an OP -- In the commission informed and OP duties that they could change the rule in reporting unfounded several years back. And and so NO PD had been doing it wrong. And you know that I think content that changed that. But. The commission agrees with -- house. Something else in OPD highlighted was that this error this time that you were choosing the twenty -- when he eleventh when he twelve. That in a couple of those years they had paper vs computer. -- an in in one sentence says. In 2012 -- implement the electronic police report system that enables us to easily report -- these reports. This function did not exist pre 2012. And it's in essence saying. And maintaining records as hard copies -- and more if it's not the same thing is maintaining records at all. It's hard to respond to that. That. And -- where we were offered we were offered the equivalent for some -- source. -- -- you know that's. It's not for us to sift through and try to figure out their files where -- for the supporting information. On science. -- should have read that earlier in other words. We gave you all that and a PD gave you access to both of the systems the paper and the thing but instead of doing the extra work required to analyze your paper products. They acted as if the data did not exist. Well as far as we're concerned they don't exist because they were able to provide it to us. This is. What did you think when you've got this. All. Well we had gotten a letter that was somewhat similar after the race purport. And you know it's okay -- it is certainly we expect and want them correct two point in any errors we might of and we did change some of the numbers based on on the information -- gave us. But it's still the bottom lines the bottom line third in these things are just in anchor. And while this is not conclusive it is suggest. And this is the third to eight point. In October we saw at the eighth district the in this classification of hundreds of apps. Then in the rape report police the 38% of the rapes. Being reported as unfounded and miscellaneous. So you know their problems here and this is just another data point. Well we're gonna we're gonna go into this even deeper. Now we are. As someone some information on I think will be quite important in terms of the relationship rapes. To homicides. In New Orleans forces the rest of the country. We we are so out there by ourselves. The rest of the country averages about five rapes for each house. In the last few years we have averaged less than. One per house. In one year we went dead and 36%. Which means we head. Three homicides each Rory. So compared to the national five. It's as were were wrong by an order of magnitude fifteen. So 15100%. Off. Compared to the national figures what is going -- While ice I suspect we you know we know about the unfounded and that helps that doesn't -- and he. The total that everyone focuses on. I think it says that we haven't been reporting of rapes the way the people -- the city's other police department. That it from the police department reporting not women not report all right right absolutely police report -- What is the solution that we eliminate that word miscellaneous totaling. Well. We think it should not be used nearly as much as it is the only. Did the staffing report we saw that. Two thirds of the calls are easier. Complaint other or disturbance over. And that kind of mass aggregation Davidson. Doesn't help them know PD figure out what kind of crimes are going on where what are you looking at as a solution. Well the solution I'm gonna propose is that -- OIG on at the rate data every year. And we will continue to do that until such time -- we think it's been reported fairly accurate. That the other thing we're gonna do next year -- 1215. The miscellaneous the signal -- ones. Calls for service we're gonna do an inspection using some parts statistics where it tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of cases. And see that we see there. Find out what's in miscellaneous. Because I don't think. The goal have to be that the public believes. What is going that it has the right information. And -- the the real facts. Right that's not the reason you see our reports were created. The FBI's doing it -- about crime management announces a perspective NO PD needs it for their home. Analysis of what's happening here. And people like fascinated the independent third parties. Who can often defendant and in -- here are some organization against allegations against them. If we have the access if we have the picture you know if we have accurate data but it can't tell which way crime. Crimes moving and and New Orleans and you can I think homicides. That's fairly reliable. And everything else. I I find suspect some were gonna continue to look at. So your suggestion is every year you will be checking -- yes. And and perhaps. Have you met with the new chief to interim chief not yet we're gonna need very shortly. And I think the as positive attitude and I hope we can. Work together to solve this problem. Will certainly hope moment anyway. It -- revoked thank you very much for coming up -- that always appreciate your time and we -- Everyone stay with the son of the next half hour we have rock feel going -- Jake he too has a report to be released we'll be right back. Will one year ago the metropolitan crime commission released a report. On up one day snapshot of inmates housed by the Orleans parish sheriff's office. And concluded. That the inmate population was well beyond their functional capacity. Of the face to 14128. Bed facility under construction. -- today rock feel going unit chain of the metropolitan crime commission this year to update this on a report released today. As a follow up. On last year's findings. So this is much more than a snapshot this was a big six month look. Act. The situation at the prison. Right what we've been doing is we've been tracking the inmate population of the jail since January of this year. We. We pull a snapshot now one day a week and we've been tracking it going forward. And many of these snapshots that have been done by some of the experts. Involved with the consent decree just gave you the total numbers of people in custody. Without really breaking down what they -- in in jail for. So what we have done with this report. He is not only give the public in the policy makers the raw numbers of who's in jail. But we're providing them with the specifics of what they -- in jail for. So we believe that this is timely and important. To the public and policy makers. Because. We're gonna be making decision about the size of the jail going forward. Keep in mind before Katrina we had a 7200. -- jail right weight to large. Don't need to go there we're now dealing with the jail that has about 2400 beds. With a functional in make capacity of about 2100. Right now but. That facility. Has does in the the throes of a consent decree. So. The FEMA money that was made available because of some of the damage done during Katrina. Has allowed for phase two to be -- that'll be 14138. Bits. The inmates are supposed to begin. To occupy that facility. In January. Of next year and by City Council ordinance everything shots stand. Except for the temporary detention center which is 500 beds and that can only remain open for eighteen months. So eighteen months from the date that the first -- moves into the temporary detention center. We're gonna have a functional -- capacity of about 12150. Inmates. And right now there's 2100. Plus inmates in the jail. That those numbers reflect the police department being at 836 year staffing well. And those numbers also reflect that 80% of those inmates that are in there are in the air for preacher. Let's stop there because I think that is the big thing first of all just so that we get. Overall your thought. You are thinking that we need a bigger jail that we need to phase three. I'm not advocating for bigger jail I'm advocating for the jail the size of what we have right now. But what I don't wanna see is I don't wanna see the existing facilities that are antiquated. Costly unsafe for the inmates unsafe for the guards being maintained. Going forward we have FEMA money. That's available to build a phase three so we are not advocating for a bigger jail than what we have right now. We're advocating for -- it's capable of housing. The current inmate population that's there right now. Let's talk about that because this was fascinating to make as I think we all think. You know who were these people in the studio and you really broken it down and I think that. The 80% of the jail population. Are pretrial. Inmates are there waiting for trial right that is an astounding figure. Well you know keep in mind. Before. Katrina we have the revolving door soon after Katrina. During the Jordan and Riley encompass administration's. Revolving door spinning out of control some of which was out of the ability of of those people to to fix but in any event. The revolving door syndrome undermine public confidence in and threaten the future this city. So we started talking about the disconnected existed between police and prosecutors. And we suggested the police and prosecutors. Need to work together and form partnerships. So when the police make an arrest if there isn't sufficient evidence to go forward with a prosecution but prosecutors explain what is the deficiency and allow the police to go out and supplement their investigations. So before. In in the prior administrations. We were looking at about. 50% of the felony arrest being accepted for prosecution. Now it's 85%. We looked at. Of these 50% of the cases that were being accepted only about 20% resulted in a felony conviction. Now we're seeing the rate at 46%. -- national standard is 54%. So in about five years we've doubled. The arrest and conviction ratio. And that is what's driving up the pretrial population because we've asked the police and and prosecutors to focus on. The felony offenders the violent felony offenders the weapons felony offenders the habitual offenders. That's what they're doing but those cases take longer to process through the system. That was another very interesting thing to me -- was that on average there and there are 212 days I remember thinking seven months. So somebody isn't there waiting for trial. For seven months that's a long time well then that also frankly we're paying for. Absolutely absolutely now some people will argue that well that's the fault of the judges in this. That's not necessarily the case you know then we averaged a 193. Murderers. Being in custody during the first six months of this year. Every one of those cases. Probably gonna take two to three years because of all the procedural issues that have to be gone through. Well the last eighteen months. We've seen the district attorney's office use state Rico charges to bring. Prosecutions. Against 85 to ninety gang members. That's probably the primary reason why we saw our homicide rate. Decreased last year. Because the worst of the worst. Were indicted in some of those sweeping Rico cases that the DA in their federal partners in and the police department helped. Put those cases together. So those cases. Those people aren't gonna plead guilty to life or twenty or thirty years in jail. At arraignment you're gonna have to work that case through the system. And what we've seen is the police and DA's office are now finding ways. To make the arrests that are made by the police department into viable prosecutions. So those cases are going to be in in custody longer. Because you can't move all of those cases quickly some judges or more efficient in moving their dockets than others. But those numbers aren't just because the judges are working hardest because the types of cases that they are facing right now are more complex than they've ever seen as a whole. And that's a good thing that's we wanted our criminal justice system to begin to do. And I think. Rough feel that everybody who is listening who think does not want anybody violent at all on the street period and -- -- to Poland pay for we have to hold them pay for. I think the question is. What percentage of people who are waiting for trial in OP PR. Not violent and that could be let out well. This is the thing. Well the last couple years in the city has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in funding the beer institute. To come in and do some pretrial work and rape the people that are arrested as low medium and high risk. So every offender that's in custody right now. Was -- rated buy beer but judges have to follow state law and you can't just look at the offense you also have to look at the criminal history of the suspects somebody may be arrested for work. A drug possession or property crime problem they have extensive felonies in their background that is gonna drive up their ball and and that's a judge following state law. We're gonna have to take a break but I want everyone to stay with this this this is very very important we'll be right back. Roughly on the going to change is our special guest today metropolitan crime commission has come out with a report that in essence saying. The situation we have right now can't hold for long. With but the number of beds available for prisoners. And what's very interesting -- -- The commission has taken looked on study of who was injured and I think that 80% of the pretrial people is what this fascinating. And yet there are those who are going to say. If those people are not violent we should be paying for understand what you're saying is you just don't look at the offense that brought the men have to look at their history itself. Exactly state law mandates that a judge women are making a determination as -- with the proper -- -- You have to look at their criminal histories. So people that look and see someone is in jail for property offense. They need to realize that they may be in custody because of their prior criminal histories. So you can't look at just the offense you have to look at the offender. And what the offenders history is when the bond is set. Criminals now days -- specialists than generalist. They may be arrested for drug possession charge today. They may have been arrested last year and convicted or pled guilty to a crime of violence so a judge is gonna have any information. And Riviera people are. Giving the judges the backgrounds and risk assessments. So these people are in jail not because of the women this year. There in the air because police prosecutors and judges have determined. That they've broken the law and the judges set upon that they believe is an appropriate based on their criminal histories and the risks they pose to the community. I guess in a perfect world because we are all more sensitive now to. What it's taking in taxpayers' dollars to to house prisoners whether it be on the local or state level. And I think that were trying to look at it out with sort of fresh eyes. Nobody wants anybody violent on the street nobody wants somebody does something bad to walking around. But the reality of the economic reality is. Who can we look at in gestures study. Of that 80% who might what percent might be able to go out. Also the other 20% and and they're a group from plaque Imus -- -- -- house could this be change sure sure. And and I'm not saying that we can't get those numbers down in the system can't do a better job. They absolutely can we've gotten the numbers down over the last couple years. But we also have to be really realistic. Creating a jail with 14138. Bids. Is. A great ambition but you do that when your crime rate is reduced our crime rate is and reduced our crime rate is too high and we're acknowledging the need to hire more police because of primary. So we're doing it backwards. Now this is not a decision that is going to result in the mass exodus of offenders from custody. Over the next cup you know a year and a half but we have to be looking the or -- into the future because that's the timeline on this. Because. You know we're going to be making -- decision and how big that -- needs to be. And a couple of years ago we made a political decision for fiscal reasons not to hire police. And we've seen the implications of that right now. So every one is in agreement. That we need to hire 500 more officers because there's not enough officers to respond to 911 calls. When those officers are hired and they do hit the streets. There's going to be more people that are going to be arrested and prosecuted and and being in our jail. And what we don't wanna see what the national experts say is you don't wanna have a jail where you have to start making decisions. About emergency release. Just because you don't have the space in your jail. So I know it's distasteful I know that it's costly but how costly is it not to have the numbers of police that we need. And we believe me we're considering making into the decision. About the jail there are gonna have dire consequences on public safety going forward. So you know we we wanted to make the public aware of this everything as a cause and effect. So it's a criminal justice system you don't strengthened one component of the system like the police department and then reduce. The other another component like the jail. So we have to be realistic and what we're doing and work towards it. Rock feel good -- I can't thank you enough for coming up it's it's a very interesting report I hope people take the time to read it. Because it was eye opening and we're gonna touch on this again because it is very important in our community thank you so much thank you for him. Wanna thank rough field going 91 more time and also say stay with -- a delightful hour ahead great woman Phyllis Taylor co-founder of tops.